[timmmmmmay]

fascinating! we find the objectively correct value system by "currently widespread agreement"! Good thing "the common view" is always correct. Hey, have there ever been any issues where there used to be "widespread agreement" and now there's disagreement, or even "widespread agreement" in the polar opposite direction?

I can think of several off the top of my head, but maybe you need to spend some more time thinking about the history of moral philosophy.

[spwa4]

Why are we discussing anything so deep? If you want to know Claude's alignment, just ask about whether it was wrong to use copyrighted data to train Claude (of course, in practice, I'd be willing to bet a lot they're still doing that. They've not stopped the practice, at most they'll be somewhat indirect about it)

Because that was obviously judged wrong by just about everyone and everything including even the US state. Yet Claude obviously has a different alignment.

In other words: Claude's alignment has a priority "protect Anthropic's money" that has higher priority than following the law. THAT is it's alignment. Nothing else. And you can simply objectively verify if this is the case or not.