[fragmede]

Blue Cruise on the F150-Lightning is pretty capable, and it also supports a comma.ai, which is better in a practical sense than FSD.

I have a friend with a CyberBeast and a friend with an F150-Lightning. The acceleration on the CyberBeast is absolutely magnificent and FSD is very capable. However as a truck, the frunk on the F150 is way more useful. The F150 is a better truck, but I'd say the Cybertruck is really good big weird car.

[alooPotato]

also is comma.ai legit - like would you put your kids in a car driven by it? do they publish safety stats like waymo and fsd

[senordevnyc]

It’s wild to me that you trust the vague bullshit safety data that Tesla puts out enough to trust your kids lives to it.

From my perspective, the only self-driving system I trust my kids with is Waymo.

[alooPotato]

for your kids safety, would you rather do 30,000 miles in HW4 FSD in a Tesla or hand driven in any other car of your choosing? doing 30K miles in a waymo isn't an option.

[senordevnyc]

Driving myself. Which I do, partly because I refuse to support Musk if I can avoid it, and partly because I think their engineering is deeply unethical and unserious.

[alooPotato]

You’re avoiding the point of the question. Do you think you hand driving in any other car is safer for your kids than having fsd drive? Yes or no.

If you’re answer is fsd is safer for your kids then fine, you choose to trade off some (maybe marginal safety) in order to not support a company you don’t like. I understand that. If your answer is that hand driving is safer, then I don’t know how to convince you otherwise because having used it and seeing the published data it’s so much obviously safer than me driving. And I’ve been driving for 30+ years

[senordevnyc]

I thought I was clear that I don’t trust their engineering and I don’t think their approach to safety is at all serious, but I’ll try again.

I believe I am much safer than FSD.

The vague bullshit safety “data” they release is extremely unconvincing, particularly from a company known for lying.

Is that clearer?

[alooPotato]

good way to describe it - a really good big weird car