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by Robdel12 37 days ago
Literally everything you listed can be done with any SUV.
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Or, better yet, a minivan.

People think they want a pickup truck, or an SUV, or a Cybertruck, but what they really want is a hybrid Toyota Sienna.

can't fit 4 bikes in a minivan . on my previous SUV I had a rear rack and its such a PITA
You cannot be serious.

It was trivial to do this back before foldable seats were standard.

You can fit at least two bikes in just the shitty "trunk" space of your average minivan.

Every van ever made has more cargo space than the Cybertruck.

maybe this is an HN thing, but how would you bring your kids/wife and 4 bikes inside a minivan?
Assuming you have 2 kids, you remove the back row of seats, leaving four seats, and you can just load the four bikes up side by side in the back.

Like a hatchback, but much bigger.

I don't get how that works - quick look online: https://preview.redd.it/team-minivan-who-is-with-me-v0-oxprg...

That's one bike, with only 3 available seats and the front tire taken off. How would you do 4?

You "can" put three kids in the back of a Honda Civic. You "can" tow 10k with a Ford Ranger. They're both kind of a sucky experience for all parties involved and it makes perfect sense why people who can afford a vehicle with way more capacity go that route. It makes things that take care and precision and thought as mindless as throwing a light switch. They're not paying for capability, they're paying to make it easy.

I own a station wagon, a minivan, a pickup truck and a hatch (and my spouse drives a boring crossover). I completely understand why "buy a crew cab truck" has become the norm for people who want to just write one check a month to cover every use case.

Additionally, frequent "truck" usage is an absolute menace on wagon/minivan interiors.

have you used FSD? Have you used the best self driving from other manufacturers? I have. Its no comparison. I turn on FSD and it drives me driveway to driveway to a place in the mountains 4 hours away. I don't touch the wheel.
The same FSD that drove full speed, no reaction, into a wall in san antonio? It was a cybpertruck, too. Or how the cyber cabs have an insane high accident rate here in Austin? I literally move away from teslas when I drive because of this.

On top of that, every Tesla I have driven is poorly built. Ugly rattly plastic, bad panel gaps from the factory, factory paint not even matching, poor UX with everything jammed into the touch screen (lmao gotta go 4 levels deep in the UI to pop the glove box, unless they shipped a change for that). The brake pedal feel like stepping on a hard brick. No feel. Nothing. The drive by wire steering is like driving a 2005 nascar sim with no force feedback.

I could go on, they are objectively bad cars and for those who don't know cars and just want tech.

So I take it the answer to my question is no you haven’t used FSD