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by vhodges 37 days ago
EJB, Spring, Ant, Struts (I'm getting old - Like Hot Java Alpha 3 and Java applets old), maven, pom files, etc.

I used to love Java but the complexity merchants showed up and ruined the party. 1.5 was just coming out when I stopped doing Java dev. Kotlin might pull me back into the fold though for when I can't use Go.
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therealdrag0 37 days ago
You can write apps without that stuff? Sure you should have 1 dependency management system, but otherwise you can write clean JVM apps in many languages, without DI or much else.
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jeberle 37 days ago
The good stuff landed in Java 8, so you left the party too early. From Java 8 on it has changed direction completely (less OO + JavaBeans, more functional + ADTs). It feels like a completely different language from the Java 1.4 / 5 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history#Java_SE_8...

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twic 37 days ago
That was a long and dark time in history. We're still in the shadow of it. But these days a much better world is available - a more powerful language, good libraries, and much, much simpler frameworks.

To be clear, all the annotation and Java EE stuff is still going if you want it!

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twic 37 days ago
jeberle made a completely factual reply to this, but people hate Java so much it's downvoted to dead.
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