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by koliber 37 days ago
A doctor friend of mine once joked that it would be really cruel to issue a death certificate for someone who is alive. This seems to be a soft version of that.

The only thing that would be crueler is to revoke someone's birth certificate. "Sir, you never existed in the first place."

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Like Kansas tried to do for all their transgender residents. They didn’t switch ID. They just invalidated all documentation that didn’t match what the state legislators thought they should say. They were going to be forced to try securing new ID at their own expense, with their existing ID not being considered valid to identify them.

https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/government/2026...

Thankfully the courts found this sort of harm unreasonable.

Yet, oddly fitting for a deadname.
It's no joke for some.

It was some time ago that I read about it, and I'm struggling to find a source now, but there are instances in India of people being declared dead to allow their next of kin to steal their land. In doing so, the 'dead' unsurprisingly lose access to various public resources, health care, etc.

Edit: found a reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttar_Pradesh_Association_of_D...

It is reasonably safe to say that people find it funny because of the absurdity of the situation, while realizing that it is not funny for the person who has been declared as dead.
Undeclaring someone dead is one way to fix it, but you could also issue a new birth certificate, SSN etc and have minted an entirely new citizen :-) free of debt and ownership, uneducated and unemployed on paper but somehow quite experienced.
My ex-spouse worked in IT at a hospital and their user account was inadvertently marked dead. It ended up taking weeks of effort to remedy the problem, as the system wasn't built to handle corpses suddenly arising or perhaps less plausibly, data entry errors. It was one of those "funny until it happens to you" moments as I was still in grad school and payroll doesn't cut checks for dead employees who can't submit timecards...
> My ex-spouse

Actually, I wonder if that would mean a marriage is (legally) over at that point too? ;)

We created databases to keep track of reality. It fascinates me when the database is taken for reality.
A friend of mine is adopted. At the time, the worker didn't follow the SOP.

Instead of an entry into the adoption registry, they created a new death certificate, and a backdated new birth certificate. A lot of government systems collapse when it turns out you are two people.

“Some traitors, who may or may not be in my attention.”
You define your liveness by some piece of paper?
The state does. And once a death certificate have been issued and filed, proving you are in fact still around is whole can of worms of its own.

eg https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/03/they-sa...

Edit: and a few others https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48060857

The Romanian man Guardian article has a great and horrible quote:

> The court told him he was too late, and would have to remain officially deceased.

I read the first link and was curious what the outcome of the case was, since the article was released in 2021. It seems that Jeanne was declared alive again in 2023, which is the most recent public reporting on the case:

https://www.leprogres.fr/faits-divers-justice/2023/02/28/jea...

I don't. But many others do. The only thing that let's banks and other companies know that you are dead is a piece of paper called a Death Certificate.