[dtj1123]

They also advertised a 36,000x speedup over equivalent Python if I remember correctly, without at any point clarifying that this could only be true in extreme edge cases. Feels more like a pump-dump cryptography scheme than an honest attempt to improve the Python ecosystem.

[boxed]

Well... the article made self deprecating fun of the click bait title, showed the code every step of the way, and actually did achieve the claim (albeit with wall clock time, not CPU/GPU time).

And it wasn't "equivalent python", whatever that means, they did loop unrolling and SIMD and stuff. That can't be done in pure python at all, so there literally is no equivalent python.

[dtj1123]

Watch Chris Lattner's interview with Lex Fridman. He talks about mojo as a 36,000x speedup over Python without any indication that you need to think about vectorization to achieve it.

[boxed]

I'm looking at this transcript and I'm getting a different picture than what you describe https://podscripts.co/podcasts/lex-fridman-podcast/381-chris... . Yea, he doesn't specifically say vectorization and multi-threading or whatever but he also doesn't say you don't need some skill to get to huge speedups.

[dtj1123]

Does he say that you _do_ need skill to get huge speedups?

In fairness it's been a long time since I watched this, but I remember being struck by how obviously dishonest Lattner was throughout. For example at one point he talks about approachin mojo from a first principles perspective, using the speed of light as a limiting factor for what's computationally possible. Complete bullshit. You'd have to be working at the hardware layer for that to begin to be relevant, and even then photonic computation is years away. It's essentially technobabble.

[boxed]

Speed of light is actually the limiting factor in modern chips and has been for a long time. It's one of the major reasons why process shrinks are jumps in performance: literally the speed of signals in the CPU shrinks.

[dtj1123]

Electrons moving through silicon do not move at the speed of light.

[jdiaz97]

The modern way to advertise: lie a lot.

[dtj1123]

Crypto*