[j2jj]

" Secretly hoping they'll have to rehire."

They will just expect a lower wage rate. There's some tacit collusion going on here.. they are using LLMs as a vehicle to address the price that comes with the true shortage of software engineers. You seriously dont think they talk about this behind closed doors? of course they do.

[headinthesky]

Absolutely. My hope is selfish - the market is awful

[bloppe]

I promise you there are a ton of companies desperate to hire talent right now. It's hard on both sides of the market. Lots of noise, but there is demand for this supply. Unfortunately, that means personal connections are more valuable than they used to be, just to get the ball rolling.

[heldrida]

Are you sure? Can you share some of those companies that are desperate to hire talent right now? I'd like serious teams as I need to find work. I do keep an eye on HN, Wellfound, Workatstartup, X, etc.

[bloppe]

My company is hiring (small, but definitely happy to talk to you and all the people who made stuff run on your team at Cloudflare!) https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/blaxel

I know Waymo is trying to hire like a thousand engineers this year.

There are others.

[bluGill]

There are always a ton of companies looking for good talent. However there are not nearly as many as a couple year ago: there is more good talent looking for a job than there are jobs. This has happened before, it will happen again (this is easy for me to say - I still have a job, but I've been there before and I know first hand how bad it is when you need the job).

Good luck to those of you looking for a job. My company is hiring a few people, but if someone leaves today there is only a 20% change we hire someone outside to replace them so I can't really offer leads worth looking at.

[johnnyyw]

Like us :) We are not mandating AI tokens but asking people not to ship slop code. Naturally that means more people required; but in the age when everything is slop, imho having good taste becomes a competitive advantage. And that... requires good people.

https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/hinoki/bb798ffb-2427-460e-84ff-fe29...

[kevin_thibedeau]

Do the world a favor and take your institutional knowledge out the door to enjoy greener pastures.

[headinthesky]

The pasture is pretty crowded and full of shit. But thanks, friend. I appreciate it

[keeda]

I've been laid off from every job I've held (and once I was even re-hired a month later!) so I know the feeling. There seem to be others here who are also impacted and I fear the overall trend will only continue, so I wrote up my thoughts on how to future-proof your job search. I do think the GP comment about institutional knowledge could be a key part of it. Hope this helps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48067459

[krooj]

My man, all these fuckers use the same parasitic management consultancies. That's why all this shit looks the same.

[happymellon]

Time to watch Office Space again?

[sanderjd]

"I'm an agent person. I'm good at dealing with the agents! Can't you understand that?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! I'm good at dealing with the agents!"

[siva7]

That line is so damn good i recommend everyone who doesn't get it to watch Office Space.

[harimau777]

Honestly, Office Space looks like a dream job compared to normal practices. Imagine getting your own cubicle! That would be amazing!

[heldrida]

"Management consultancies" that make sense. I thought that maybe all these higher-up people know each other and share a common "Slack group"

[jdasdf]

Cloudflare has never made a profit.

Is your stance that shareholders should perpetually subsidize it out of the goodness of their hearts?

[podgietaru]

My stance is this: Fine, maybe you need to restructure for profit reasons. If that is the case, then it is also beholden upon the people doing the layoffs to understand their responsibility in that.

In an ideal world, a layoff of this scale would also require a shakeup of the management that let it get this bad in the first place.

What's more, the higher up the chain, the less onerous the layoff for the individual getting laid off.

[jdasdf]

Why should people who are profitable to employ be laid off as well?

It just sounds like you're upset and want to hurt whoever you feel is responsible for making you upset. That's not a productive stance to have on important topics.

[podgietaru]

What an odd view of what I said.

I'm not asking for the people who hurt me to be hurt. I am asking that the responsibility of the actions that management layers took be considered in layoffs.

For instance - If overhiring happened, how is this not at least a little bit on the individual that approved of a hiring spree? Why is it that they should be able to yield a baton that hurts the workers they hired, without having to actual bare the brunt of the decisions?

If a business is still unprofitable, a business that touches so much of the internet like Cloudflare, then that is also a strategic failure and should be punished as such.

I feel like your tone in this response was also so condescending.

[jdasdf]

>For instance - If overhiring happened, how is this not at least a little bit on the individual that approved of a hiring spree? Why is it that they should be able to yield a baton that hurts the workers they hired, without having to actual bare the brunt of the decisions?

Do you think shareholders do not consider their employees performance when deciding to hire/keep them?

Do you think CEOs don't do that when it comes to their executive team?

Do you think the executive team doesn't consider that?

It all comes flowing down.

I can assure you as a shareholder i am 100% focused on getting a return, and I will fire (or vote to fire) any executives that i believe are doing a bad job, or who accept that their underlings do a bad job.

Hiring people, and then firing them some time later is not intrinsically the same as doing a bad job, nor does it mean there was "overhiring".

Also. "hurts workers"? What?

Workers receive the payments that were agree to, for the period that was agreed to. No more, no less.

You are no more entitled to a job than the supermarket is entitled to my patronage, and me choosing to no longer purchase from you, whether it be groceries or labor, is not me hurting you.

[shimman]

This is how the elites actually feel tho. They think they can do no wrong, it's not their fault that they don't know how to run a business but you should please give them another chance and not change corporate law to stop benefiting them over workers.

It's a mindset that enables neoliberalism to flourish while vast majorities suffer immensely to benefit the few.

It's a system that's worth questioning as the material lives of 100s of millions of Americans are getting objectively worse every year while we are always being told there is no money for healthcare or childcare but there is always trillions laying around for imperialistic activities like data center expansions and war.

[shimman]

No, it's more like we have undemocratically elected people in positions of power that want to act like dictatorships when in reality these people made a mistake that is costing the company billions of dollars and their ineptitude means they should be removed from these positions.

I thought Silicon Valley was all about meritocracy? Why should corporate shills that does not know how to profit from entity that controls 25% of internet traffic be allowed to keep their jobs but the actual people providing real value, the workers, aren't?

That is a system that doesn't benefit humanity. It selfishly benefits the few.

[jdasdf]

CEOs are democratically elected. And if they do a bad job they are democratically removed from office.

What are you talking about??

[heldrida]

Cloudflare has never made a profit? The thread commentator said the product he maintained was 95% profit.

[jdasdf]

The comentator either wasn't talking about the company as a whole, or was mistaken.

This is public information. Their financial statements show clearly that they made a loss every single year since the data is available.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NET/cloudflare/inc...

[headinthesky]

My orgs products. Others, probably not. There is a lot water they could have targeting and gone after. Starting with Dane's idiotic incomplete messes he left around and declaring them done and leaving people to clean his garbage up

Leadership is terrible and they're out of ideas. AI is going to be the future but it can't even review code properly

Their "no profit" is entire accounting trickery