[dakolli]

There will always be a huge gap between frontier models and open source models (unless you're very rich). This whole industry makes no sense, everyone is ignoring the unit economics. It cost 20k a month to running Kimi 2.6 at decent tok/ps, to sell those tokens at a profit you'd need your hardware costs to be less 1k a month.

Everyone who's betting their competency on the generosity of billionaires selling tokens for 1/10-1/20th of the cost, or a delusional future where capable OS models fit on consumer grade hardware are actually cooked.

[bensyverson]

If you looked at a graph of GPU power in consumer hardware and model capability per billion parameters over time, it seems inevitable that in the next few years a "good enough" model will run on entry-level hardware.

Of course there will always be larger flagship models, but if you can count on decent on-device inference, it materially changes what you can build.

[physicsguy]

It also massively changes the value economics of the frontier models. In a lot of cases, you really don't need a general purpose intelligence model too.

[bensyverson]

Exactly… as hn readers, we sometimes forget that a lot of people are using these tools to search for the best sunscreen, or rewrite an email.

[liuliu]

I am not sure where this comment is from (possibly without looking at this project?). This project is running quasi-frontier model at reasonable tps (~30) with reasonable prefill performance (~500tps) with a high-end laptop. People simply project what they see from this project to what you optimistically can expect.

You can argue whether the projection is too optimistic or not, but this project definitely made me a little bit optimistic on that end.

[maherbeg]

There will always be a gap, but what's interesting is that because new models are constantly coming out, we as an industry never spend any time extracting the maximal value out of an existing model. What if there are techniques, and harness workflows that could be optimized for a singular model end to end? How far can that push the state of the art.

An example is https://blog.can.ac/2026/02/12/the-harness-problem/ for just improving edits.

Or if we could really steer these open source models using well structured plans, could we spend more time planning into a specific way and kick off the build over night (a la the night shift https://jamon.dev/night-shift)

[amunozo]

Most tasks do not require frontier models, so as long as these models cover 95-99 per cent of the tasks, closed frontier models can be left for niche and specialized cases that are harder.

[dakolli]

Frontier models can hardly do the tasks I want them too, I simply cannot buy into this notion.

[drob518]

For instance?

[daveguy]

> There will always be a huge gap between frontier models and open source models (unless you're very rich).

They said the same thing about open source chess engines.

[otabdeveloper4]

> a delusional future where capable OS models fit on consumer grade hardware

48 gb is enough for a capable LLM.

Doing that on consumer grade hardware is entirely possible. The bottleneck is CUDA and other intellectual property moats.