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by munksbeer 46 days ago
The thing is, the option you want is available today. There are communities all around the world that live much simpler lives. Some just because that is how they are, others because they've formed communities to escape all the things you don't like.

Genuine question, have you ever investigated these options? If so, why did you dismiss them?
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coldtea 45 days ago
Because I don't want a fucking enclave to larp in, and even if I did, no place is safe from late stage capitalism and its corporations and politics.

I want the era/society/world, not mere personal or communal play-acting it.

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esseph 46 days ago
> The thing is, the option you want is available today.

Disagree

Removing yourself from the computing environment does not remove the impact it has on the world and around you. That is the equivalent of sticking one's head in the sand.

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munksbeer 46 days ago
The option is still available to you though. Sticking your head in the sand could be a great strategy if it improves your happiness and wellbeing.
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esseph 46 days ago
> The option is still available to you though. Sticking your head in the sand could be a great strategy if it improves your happiness and wellbeing.

Right now I am picturing the dog drinking coffee in the burning room meme.

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munksbeer 46 days ago
I really think this is extreme doomerism. Things are not that bad. And as I say, wouldn't you be happier if you lived in an environment where you were not impacted by all the stuff you dislike?
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coldtea 45 days ago
>wouldn't you be happier if you lived in an environment where you were not impacted by all the stuff you dislike?

What I want is a better society (as I see it), not convenience for me personally.

Obviously to the degree I can distance myself from stuff I don't care for, I do it. But I don't want to larp in some like-minded commune while the world turns to shit, I want the world to not turn to shit.

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munksbeer 45 days ago
> while the world turns to shit, I want the world to not turn to shit.

But a lot of people disagree with you and think it isn't turning to shit, and in fact for most people on the planet, life gets better every year.

I understand your issues are more local, but remember, actions always speak louder than words. People say they don't want certain things, but then they engage prolifically with those things.

All I'm saying really is, try to avoid making the mistake that your reality is *the* reality. You can control your reality, and in this world you (and others) seem to dislike so much, there are other ways of being.

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esseph 45 days ago
"Just take soma" is what you are telling me right now.

Four things:

1. I am a parent. Ignoring like the world doesn't exist is not an option.

> wouldn't you be happier if you lived in an environment where you were not impacted by all the stuff you dislike?

2. That would not be possible.

3. If you have the capability to do something, some believe you have an obligation to. Actively working to not make a shit world requires a deep awareness and understanding that leads to consistent action.

4. Trying to isolate yourself like in the face of so much suffering, including those around you, seems like the most selfish thing I can imagine. Could never be me.

> Things are not that bad.

For YOU maybe, for fucks sake.

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munksbeer 45 days ago
> For YOU maybe, for fucks sake.

And many, many others.

Don't project your reality on everyone else.

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