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by selfmodruntime 40 days ago
Your comment has a bit of an inexperienced smell. Business auth infinitely more complex than saving a user and salting/hashing his password.

> There must be a behavioral pattern there...

The pattern is that your comment is very far from reality.
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aatd86 40 days ago
My point is that people mess up things as basic as salt and pepper, or encryption at rest. People are not even trying...

If we deal with the intricacies of rbac, abac, acl mixed with scopes ,sso, saml, oidc, mfa, etc... I don't find these too conceptually, complex.

I mean, it should be avoidable complexity. Most of the complexity is technical debt, bad implementations etc. But by itself it is not THAT complex.

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selfmodruntime 38 days ago
No. OIDC and in general identity management + entitlements in a large business organization is complex because we need that complexity.
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aatd86 32 days ago
We are speaking about incidental complexity vs. essential/inherent complexity. Inherent complexity is dealing with an XML format that is prone to vulnerabilities because people don't know how to parse properly or the protocol was badly spec'd back in the day in the case SAML for instance. Or ill-defined scopes, etc...

Having had the chance to try and implement libraries to interface with those systems a couple times, most people agree that implementations are far from perfect or streamlined. We call this incidental/accidental complexity.

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