[creshal]

Or use UKI and throw the current kernel to /efi/boot/bootx64.efi; there's plenty of solutions to sane bootloader/kernel management if you're willing to invest 15 minutes into the topic and not act like it's scary and complicated (it really is the opposite).

[cwillu]

Grub2 is scary and complicated. Remove grub from the equation, and all the scary goes away.

[creshal]

Grub is really impressive in how it consistently spent the last 30 years focused on improving everything except the UX of the one workflow 99.99% of its involuntary users need it for (boot linux as reliably as possible, and make it easy to debug when it does not).

[nicman23]

grub is just a operating system. it is quite good when shit hits the fan

[creshal]

~90% of the failure modes grub can fix don't exist without grub. I can't remember any time when its needless complexity was actually a net benefit compared to literally any of its alternatives (and between gummiboot/syslinux/efilinux/isolinux/systemd-boot/efistub I've used a lot of them).

[nicman23]

i like grub, but i also remember pre-0.98 grub

[awesomeusername]

i love HN but also starting to think it's time for us oldies to have our own one: cost of entry, having a distant memory of booting linux from a floppy

[cwillu]

My first linux system was a linux-on-a-floppy router that I ran on a spare 386 with two cards to provide NAT for my house, back in the days when internet providers tried to ban people for doing that.

[nicman23]

i have the memory of bios being so shit that i had to boot grub from a floppy to boot from a cd

[nicman23]

i never got it to work