[NickC25]

They do. Because Elon is proving himself to be quite an idiot.

China was more than happy to welcome him in, and have him teach them how to build an EV. They simply copied what they could and improved on it.

"The communists will happily sell the capitalists the rope the capitalists hang themselves with"

[mort96]

BYD has been making batteries since '95, cars since '05, plug-in hybrids since '08 and EVs since '09. I don't doubt that China may have made use of Musk, but I severely doubt he's the one who "taught them how to build an EV".

If you think China can only make stuff by copying what other does, you're gonna under-estimate them.

[cyberax]

The timing doesn't line up. BYD has already been selling EVs by the time Tesla opened a factory in China. Heck, they were selling EVs even before _Tesla_ existed.

And they clearly have their own expertise. There are videos of BYD and Tesla car teardowns, and you can see that they quite differ in design philosophies.

I think China was more interested in creating more competition internally, rather than just ripping off the technology.

[threethirtytwo]

It’s other capitalists that stole the tech. China is a country of capitalists living under a communist regime.

[mghackerlady]

capitalists the communists put up with because it's better for communism in the long run

[consumer451]

> it's better for communism in the long run

"Communism" is a theoretical concept. The CCP is what they are protecting, an authoritarian power structure.

[mghackerlady]

the CCP exists to build communism

[cyberax]

That's the biggest joke.

It's not. China has literally _thousands_ of years of bureaucratic institutional memory. And it just keeps perpetuating itself.

Before the 20-th century, the Chinese officials had to study the classic Chinese literature and pass exams based on that knowledge. These works were completely abstract and literally useless in day-to-day work. And you had to follow all the rituals to demonstrate your allegiance and being-in-the-group.

Now they just swapped the Classical Chinese works with Marxist writings. Nobody cares about their content, but you have to know them and you have to follow the rituals.

[mghackerlady]

I fail to see how both can't be true. It demonstrates your allegiance to the parties main goal (communism) and filters out those who oppose it

[consumer451]

I mean, that's the marketing material. Once Xi declared himself emperor for life, that marketing material fell apart a bit, didn't it?

How is modern China even close to theoretical "communism?" It's certainly not Marxist, right?

[mghackerlady]

it follows marxist principles and is building towards communism, which isn't overnight. It's currently in a socialist stage. Also, Xi is closer to the captain of a ship rather than an absolute monarch. He has a lot of power, yes, but that's because the party trusts him, not because he demands it