[walletdrainer]

A few days ago an older teenager tried to steal my phone on the street, I kicked the shit out of him.

What else should I have done? Just let the kid take the next guys phone?

If I’d called the police, they’d almost certainly have told me on the phone to let the shouting kid go. There would have been zero consequences for him, and possibly some for me.

I genuinely did that kid a favour.

[lava_pidgeon]

In Germany you can force somebody to stay until police arrives but unnecessary violence is forbidden

[walletdrainer]

And what’d be the point? The police will not be interested in the would-be phone thief, calling them would be of negative value to society.

[AshleyGrant]

So, because there is a failure of policing in your locale, we should simply resort to vigilante justice?

Looks to me like you should be pissed off at the police in your locale for forcing you to fend for yourself against criminals.

[gottorf]

Applying physical force to counter in the moment someone that tries to rob you is not vigilante justice. That would be more like if you had your phone robbed, and a few days later you went with your buddies to beat him up and get your phone back.

The former is just maintenance of basic civic standards.

[walletdrainer]

It'd be silly to blame the police, this kind of crime can only be addressed at a much higher level.

I'm not even too inclined to blame government, as I consider this minor loss of security a perfectly acceptable tradeoff in return for their economically beneficial pro-immigration policies.

This is just what living in a big city is like, unless you're in a police state.

[AshleyGrant]

It's silly to blame the police for not stopping petty crime?

And what does immigration have to do with any of this?

[JuniperMesos]

> So, because there is a failure of policing in your locale, we should simply resort to vigilante justice?

Yes; under those conditions vigilante justice is a reasonable way to 1) protect society from criminals, and 2) encourage the state to correct its failures of policing.

[AshleyGrant]

You and I have completely different definitions of "reasonable."

[lava_pidgeon]

Why do you think?