[verdverm]

staying human-in-the-loop, more upfront prompt effort, more/better instructions, starting to look at agent teams/workflows (think openclaw but not openclaw)

You can run the claw like workflows by hand with a few sessions and a plan.md or whatever you want to call it (make a plan.md, implement plan.md, review, maybe repeat)

[david_d8912]

Yeah that's what I'm doing, upfront work & code review. But it drastically slowing down the dev speed.

[verdverm]

I've been using Scion [1] lately to put my agents in the background (not claw styling it yet)

It's hard to gauge dev speed, putting in the thought upfront sometimes seems worth it, other times I just fire off some idea and it brings back more things to think about, which I would have spent a bunch of time figuring out where the gap came from. Being involved in the iteration still makes a ton of sense to me. I think some of what we are doing now is figuring out when/where to use this, which is really only gained through experience. It's super hard to explain, like intuitions we have about various things we do in life.

[1] https://googlecloudplatform.github.io/scion/overview/

[david_d8912]

So it's a cli agent swarm? any difference to the omc, everything-cc swarm features