[tarjei_huse]

A framework competitor! Most of all I love the keyboard. Full size arrow keys as well as home, end and page up/down nearby.

I wish framework laptops could come with multiple possible keyboard layouts like the one on the picture.

[puzzlingcaptcha]

StarLabs predates Framework by a couple years. Framework just does advertising to geeks better.

[ghosty141]

Framework actually ships its products and has tons of public reviews etc. way before StarLabs got a single laptop out.

[14113]

Incorrect: Star Labs have been shipping laptops since 2018, before Framework was even a company.

[devmor]

It also helps that Framework actually releases their products when they say they will.

[maratc]

On the other hand, full size arrow keys make this a non-starter for me. I need to position my fingers over the arrow keys without looking at them, and half-size allows me to do that by touch feeling.

[culebron21]

I feel the opposite -- with half-size up/down keys, it's too easy to mis-press them. I guess it's a matter of habit.

[maratc]

I am not sure I understand this argument. With all other parameters being equal, I would assume that the larger the button is, the easier it is to mis-press that button. Half-as-large buttons should be harder (twice-as-hard) to mis-press.

[rixed]

For that exact same reason I've been avoiding half-sized up/down keys and full arrow keys, as well as mate screen and weight, have been my first filters when browsing for laptops. How annoying must it be to design those machines with such a variety of tastes :)

[layer8]

> Full size arrow keys

They are full size in height, but not in width.

What’s also annoying is that the function key row isn’t full height.

[backscratches]

Older than framewank, and more replaceable parts.