[engeljohnb]

>Just because you can claim that a person kick started something

Kick started what? If you decided to give an LLM access to your database, it's completely on you when you when it does something you don't want. You should've known better.

If all you "kickstart" is an LLM generating text that you can use however you decide, there will never be anything to worry about from the LLM.

> Let's put things in perspective: if you install a mobile app from the app store, are you responsible and accountable for every single thing the app does in your system?

Yes, and it bothers me that others don't feel the same. You vetted the app, you installed the app, and you gave it permission to do whatever on your system. Of course you're responsible.

[orphea]

  it bothers me that others don't feel the same

I bet these are the same people who don't admit they make mistakes; they are never wrong, something else is to blame.

[orion7]

I like to think every mistake I make at work is my manager's fault.

[bdangubic]

same, plus I also blame HR who gave me the contract to begin with

[locknitpicker]

> Kick started what? If you decided to give an LLM access to your database, it's completely on you when you when it does something you don't want. You should've known better.

You don't decide anything. You prompt a coding assistant to apply a change to a repository and without intervention it asserts there's a typo in a table name and renames it. The agent validates the change by running tests and integration tests fail because they are pointing to the old table name. The agent then fixes the issue by applying the change to the database.

Congratulations, you just dropped a table.

I don't think you fully understand how agents and coding assistants work. By design they are completely autonomous and work by reusing your own personal credentials. As they are completely autonomous, they can apply arbitrary changes. I mean, code assistants nowadays write their own tools on the fly. Why do you even presume that people explicitly grant permissions? That's not how it works at all.

If you wish to criticize a topic, the very least you must do is get acquainted with the topic. Otherwise you'll spend your time arguing with your misplaced beliefs instead if the actual problem.

> Yes, and it bothers me that others don't feel the same.

This is a problem you need to overcome, because you have clearly a distorted view of the whole problem domain and also personal responsibility. I recommend you spend a few minutes researching legal precedents associated with malware, because you will quickly learn that runninh arbitrary code you didn't explicitly authorized and acts against your best interests is widely considered a criminal act against the user.

[engeljohnb]

> You don't decide anything. You prompt

Right there. That's where you made the decision, and that's where you went wrong.

>I don't think you fully understand how agents and coding assistants work. By design they are completely autonomous and work by reusing your own personal credentials. As they are completely autonomous, they can apply arbitrary changes.

Yes, and someone somewhere decided to use a coding assistant that can apply arbitrary changes, knowing full well that LLMs are known to hallucinate and make mistakes, and not rarely.

> Why do you even presume that people explicitly grant permissions? That's not how it works at all.

How can you say this with a straight face? Did the LLM hack its way into your workflow? No, someone chose to use it. It doesn't matter that it's autonomous once you enter your prompt. That's actually all the more reason to not allow it to make changes.

> If you wish to criticize a topic, the very least you must do is get acquainted with the topic. Otherwise you'll spend your time arguing with your misplaced beliefs instead if the actual problem.

And if you want to argue with me, you need to actually read and understand what I'm saying.

Say you're staying in the hopsital, and instead of a human nurse making adjustments to your medication, the doctor has an LLM that interfaces directly with the pharmacy and your IV pump. It can make changes to your medication and your dosage without a human ever being involved.

If you overdose because the LLM hallucinated, would you consider an acceptable excuse if the doctor says

"I don't think you fully understand how agents and nursing assistants work. By design they are completely autonomous and work by reusing your own personal credentials. As they are completely autonomous, they can apply arbitrary changes. I mean, nursing assistants nowadays prescribe their own meds on the fly. Why do you even presume that people explicitly grant permissions? That's not how it works at all."

I wouldn't.