[scorpioxy]

I am not sure how you jumped from what I said to this. I don't believe I claimed that every project and business methodology is bad. I can only speak from my experience and am not confident enough to say how every project and business methodology should or shouldn't work.

I do believe you are helping to make my point though. I am saying that the process may very well be perfection but if entities within "meatspace" cannot use it well and may never be able to use it well then how useful really is it.

[hogehoge51]

That the methodology is established and is correct for the project and business is what a manager should be doing - at best an industry established process should make that easier, but it can't remove all the work.

Ensuring the methodology survives contact with the "meatspace" is what a leader should be doing - and even if the process is perfect for the project and business this can still be a lot of work.