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by phrotoma 48 days ago
My primary use case for K3s is small machines, cheap VPS, Pi, etc. Would love to hear from folks who have had success with Talos in those spaces but last time I gave it a shot the welded shut hood prevented me from doing the little tweaks necessary to get running in those environments.

In the cloud or on prem I suspect folks are having better luck than I did, but also open to being wrong about this.
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Havoc 48 days ago
>prevented me from doing the little tweaks necessary to get running in those environments.

It's a bit of a mindshift change but essentially whenever you feel the urge to make such a tweak...you've strayed off the golden path & are attempt to do something the wrong way (in Talos world).

I came from k3s so was very used to the whole tweaks spiel too.

Where you do need a custom config pipe in patch commands, not modify the OS. i.e. any and all changes you're feeding in via API so that can be repeatably scripted. The Talos OS is immutable.

It's similar how you'd control a k8s cluster with kubectl...except you're doing that model at OS level. You control it by sending API commands no modifying settings in files. So you don't "tweak" anything. It's a bit of mindset shift I know

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phrotoma 47 days ago
> you've strayed off the golden path & are attempt to do something the wrong way (in Talos world).

In this case the urge to make a tweak is synonymous with the urge to make the product _function_.

I admire their dedication to the schtick, but the upshot is that since you cannot reach inside to make Talos actually work in environments that aren't supported by that golden path, running the product on many devices is "Talos Wrong".

That's their perrogotive, but it's obnoxious in a "Windows 11 doesn't work on your perfectly functional laptop" kinda way.

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modderation 48 days ago
I'm early on in my Kubernetes journey and have opted to focus on Talos. Would you be able to share a bit more about the issues and limitations you encountered?
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stackskipton 48 days ago
SRE here who has dealt with both. Talos is operating system and Kubernetes management system without a ton of batteries included.

K3s runs on existing operating systems with batteries included.

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