[bhagyeshsp]

Self-taught, "junior" here.

Due to English-language limitation my most adult life, I struggled to code. Used visual coding etc. But of course, I can't make a living on drag-and-drop harness.

Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. Now I'm running my incorporated company, just launched one software-hardware hybrid product. Second one is a micro-SaaS in closed beta.

The point is: when people use "juniors" as a fixed shaped blobs of matter, they focus on the juniors that were in any case going to make mistakes: AI or not. Misses the key point of agentic usage.

[lelanthran]

> I struggled to code

> ...

> Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning.

So now you can code? If I sat you in front of a computer with no internet and no GPU but your choice of IDE, you would actually be able to produce a product?

[bhagyeshsp]

Okay, after re-reading the thread, looks like, this question was not in bad faith. While commenting, I was reading from bottom-to-top and so made an opinion about you based on your bottom thread comments (which still stands correct), but for other readers, they deserve an answer, not the questioner.

Anyone wondering about my proficiency, I can code without internet or AI help. But it takes enormous amount of time and mistakes.

[bhagyeshsp]

Attention Please Everyone

You're looking at a specimen of one of the most rattled species nowadays. It is so fun finding them under these articles.

Their last attempts at finding inner-validation.

What a waste.

[lelanthran]

You claimed that you learned to program.

Was that claim not true?

[bhagyeshsp]

Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks.

Honestly, I want you to live with your assumptions and beliefs. No more goodwill from my side to your username.

[lelanthran]

> Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks.

No discourse - you made a claim, but it appears now that your claim is untrue.

It's faster for you to answer the question than to dodge it: Have you actually learned what you claimed you did?

[intrinsicallee]

Hey man we all have our own skill levels and challenges and do all sorts of different work.

I don't want to shit on what you've done but you're coming in WAY too hot for how trivial your work is and how inflated your description of it is.

You're demanding humbleness while being extremely proud. Check yourself.

[bhagyeshsp]

Thanks for the heads-up. Appreciate that.

[sterlind]

accelerated what learning? learning to code? learning to engineer? learning to manage? learning to market?

[bhagyeshsp]

Learning the fundamentals of programming and their translation to code. I'm decent at engineering, managing and marketing solutions.

[lelanthran]

>> Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. Now I'm running my incorporated company, just launched one software-hardware hybrid product. Second one is a micro-SaaS in closed beta.

> accelerated what learning? learning to code? learning to engineer? learning to manage? learning to market?

I'm pretty certain that you think you're talking to an owner of a business but you're actually talking to an AI-techbro whose "software-hardware hybrid product" and "incorporated company" has exactly zero revenue after it was prompted into existence in the hope that it will make some money before other people realise they could prompt the same thing for less.

[bhagyeshsp]

Haha..so many assumptions. And all of them being objectively wrong.

Cope harder. Try harder to demoralize. It is not going to work.

I had heard HackerNews had some of this loser bunch of personalities. I didn't expect them to show themselves so soon.

But hey, I realized "AI bashing" articles are the best places to find these gate-keepers. Makes sense now.

[lelanthran]

No, look. You claimed things that I am skeptical about.

Vibing a product into existence without needing any development knowledge or experience just means you now have a "product" that can't really be sold for money.

[bhagyeshsp]

Repeating what I said on the previous comment:

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Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks.

Honestly, I want you to live with your assumptions and beliefs. No more goodwill from my side to your username.

[lelanthran]

It seems you are unusually embarrassed to admit being nothing more than a vibe-coder.

Why is this? Are you not proud that you can produce products without possessing any skill?

[imtringued]

This is backwards. You were too lazy to learn English even though every hour spent programming also comes with an included English lesson?

Now AI lets you write code using libraries whose documentation you can't even read? How is this a win?

[bhagyeshsp]

Pls get rid of your assumptions, then we can talk.

[blks]

I didn’t speak English my early teenage years, and that haven’t stopped me from reading books about programming in my native language. I remember spending hours in bookshops, excited to pick up next book to devour and try out.

[bhagyeshsp]

I don't believe in victimhood and so didn't want to go here, but since we are comparing notes:

English alphabets came into my education at the age of 10. I got my first computer at the age of 21. I began speaking broken English around the age of 23. Proper internet at the age of 25 or so.

Not to mention, my native language doesn't have programming books, even today.

Of course, an avid reader and Science nerd here. Curiosity and tinkering never stopped.

[true_religion]

Out of curiosity. What is your first/native language?

In my country, english is hardly anyones first language, but its' mandatory in schools so I've never had the experience with having to find knowledge but its gate-kept behind a translation wall.

[bhagyeshsp]

My native language is Gujarati. Done my schooling and college in Gujarati too.

Absolutely, I understand what you're saying.

One of the things people miss out, in most of the discussions is that they think "if you were really serious, you would have figured it out". I agree with that in most instances but language and skill acquisition is a complex process as everyone knows.

English being the de-facto reservoir of programming knowledge and applications, it takes substantial amount of time and effort to cross the threshold of understanding and transference.

In any case, I'm an eternal optimist and I believe in action. It was a great experience listening to people's opinion here and I was kind of shocked to find that some of them are so siloed in their chambers, that's interesting nonetheless.