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> Denuvo is there to prevent piracy within the first 90 days of release [...] They don’t care that it’s eventually cracked

Ah, so Denuvo is always removed after ~90 days after release, as there is no point for them to keep it there?

[Maxatar]

Not strictly after 90 days, but Denuvo is usually removed after the peak sales period for a game. It's really at a publisher's discretion when to remove it, as the sales model for Denuvo is that you have to continue paying for it on a subscription basis to keep it active.

[ray023]

This is untrue. Yes Denovo got removed from some games relatively early, but mostly it was long after this "peak sales window" I would have to make a list of how long it took for games, and I am too lazy to even ask AI, but I think it took years in some cases and a lot of community outrage for the devs to remove it, and they did not just remove it after some peak sales window but when the games were actually cracked and the steam forums were flooded with pissed of people who realized pirates had a better experience then actual buyers. THEN they removed it.

So it's more like after they were cracked rather than some time window, sometimes these may have been overlap.

1 year after release is for sure not "peak sales window".

[snvzz]

Yet I have a bunch of games on steam wishlist which I've been waiting for years to buy.

The stopper is of course denuvo, which they keep renewing the license of, for no good reason.

[pteraspidomorph]

Maybe because a lot of users still have those games wishlisted?

[choo-t]

Having the game wishlisted is a signal of players waiting for a sale, or future patches/correction, or simply not bothering to cleanup wishlist, not a signal of someone is eager to pirate the game.

[NicuCalcea]

Denuvo is sold as a subscription to developers, and it is often removed 6–12 months after release.

[akimbostrawman]

>often removed 6–12 months after release

that's not true. Only denuvo after ~2020 is subscription based and the contracts usually are between 2-4 years.

[NicuCalcea]

- Devil May Cry 5: released March 2019, Denuvo removed February 2020

- Forspoken: released January 2023, Denuvo removed July 2023

- Final Fantasy XVI: released September 2024, Denuvo removed March 2024

- Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster: released September 2024, Denuvo removed September 2025

These are just a few examples, there are many more. I can't say whether it was removed because the contract ran out or another reason, but, as I said, Denuvo demonstrably is often removed 6–12 months after PC release.

[akimbostrawman]

Pointing out exceptions doesn't invalidate the rule

[NicuCalcea]

I said Denuvo is "often" removed 6–12 months after release. Often means many times, frequently. I have given you examples that this has happened many times, so I'm satisfied with the wording I used.

You said it "usually" lasts 2–4 years. Usually means most of the time. What I said is not incompatible with what you said, but in any case, you've presented no data or evidence that Denuvo is kept for 2+ years most of the time.

[akimbostrawman]

There have been well over 150 games with denuvo the last 5 years. 4 games in that time is not "often" by any stretch of the word.

[lousken]

Denuvo should charge more for every month extra since the release