[tgma]

> I can't think of a single example where foreign inteference [sic] (or war) has had the citizenry welcome foreign powers as liberators or otherwise increased freedoms or conditions in a country for those citizens.

That's one of the lines people spew as if it is a tautology without actually thinking about its accuracy. Germany, France, Japan, South Korea, need more examples?

Iranians right now also tend to disagree with you too...

[jasonvorhe]

This claim only works if you stick very closely to the western post WW2 narrative that is neither accurate nor robust enough to withstand a few hours of research.

[UltraSane]

Don't be vague.

[jmyeet]

I should've said post-1945. That was imprecise. My bad. Economic sanctions are largely a post-1945 tool. Sure there are examples like stopping oil exports to Imperial Japan but sanctions as an economic regime where a large part of the world isolates you economically didn't really happen until the Cold War as the US remade the economic order post-1945. Since then we have a 100% failure rate for economic sanctions of enemies.

But let's discuss your examples.

Germany was obliterated, levelled. They supported their own war effort basically until the day the war ended. Deaths in the camps happened basically up until liberation. In some cases it was a few days before as the SS fled the Allies. I'm not sure total military defeat counts as being welcomed.

Japan? They were prepared to fight to the death. It's debated why Japan ultimately surrendered. The popular version is because of the atomic bombs. A likely more accurate reason is because the USSR entered the war. When exactly did they welcome us?

France was occupied by Germany so yes, they welcomed those who liberated them from their foreign occupiers. How does that relate to Iran?

South Korea depends on what you're referring to. First there was the Japanese occupation that ended with Japan's surrender in 1945. Again, like France, we removed their occupiers. But then we installed a military dicatatorship and started a war because communism. It's also worth noting that North Korea was wealtheir than South Korea until the 1970s. It took decades of military occupation (in the south) and economic sanctions to reverse that. Oh and South Korea is now facing total population collapse within 2-3 generations so there's that too.

[tgma]

Changing the goalposts much? From no one was ever happy not even once to limiting to an arbitrary date in the calendar. I can't take your rant seriously. Of course there have been wars whose results improve the conditions of the population. There is no denying that.

> France... How does that relate to Iran?

Iran is also occupied by Mullah-IRGC-Palestine axis that have no overlap with the values 85%+ of the population. Iran pays Hezbollah members ~$1800/month when their own citizens are in poverty below $100. Their country is objectively occupied and resources are being raided by a foreign group and literally kills anyone that complains.

You also mentioned this in your original post which prima facie shows your knowledge of the Persian people is precisely zero:

> However unpoular [sic] the IRGC or the Supreme Leader are in Iran, the US and Israel are less popular.

[nixon_why69]

Did you just say -Palestine axis? Like they're the ones calling the shots here?

Before USA/Israel started bombing girls' schools and creating oil rain over all of Tehran, there were protests against the rulership that had to be brutally repressed. After that, there were people in the streets waving Iranian flags in Tehran.

[tgma]

The 1979 revolutionaries trained for guerrilla warfare in PLO Camps in Lebanon and Jordan.

[nixon_why69]

All of them? Did they forget Farsi? Change their opinions on various Imams?

Brother, I am not a fan of the Iranian government but if you're claiming Iran is occupied by a foreign Palestinian axis then you have lost the plot.

[_DeadFred_]

Iran is occupied by a foreign Shia axis that when it came into power celebrated that it was the victory over/destroyer of Persia/Persian culture.

Iran has pulled in Shia proxies from the surrounding countries during the war because it is an occupying theology/government.

A not insignificant number of IRGC leadership are Iraqi born.

[z3ncyberpunk]

Before the IRGC bombed girls' schools*

[nixon_why69]

One detail about the USSR joining against Japan, they sent mechanized divisions that had survived the eastern front in europe to Manchuria against the most prestigious units of the Japanese army which had mostly been suppressing farmers. The Russians swept across the entire region in weeks. So that's going to turn some heads in high command.

[justsomehnguy]

It's always amusing when some people throw SK in a debates like this. Clearly shows they don't even know nor Park nor what came after him.