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by jordand 54 days ago
Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire.

https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

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Didn't realize FUTO was connected to Eron Wolf, which connects to Curtis Yarvin, which connects to Palantir.

Great...

What, do you sincerely believe Palantir is pulling the strings behind Ladybird? What is the accusation here? Everybody can be "connected" in some way or another, but it's meaningless.
I don't think Palantir is behind Ladybird, I just wish FUTO wasn't connected to Eron Wolf.
I think it's more a concern about the company one keeps; Ladybird's Andreas Kling has certainly ruffled feathers over the past couple of years by doubling down on anti-inclusionary language takes ("I'm not against gender neutral language, I'm just not going to allow it in my project") and supporting DHH's most douchebaggiest takes.

I understand that not everybody cares about this sort of thing, believing that politics of developers should be irrelevant; I'm personally not going to go around ringing the shame bell at people who use Ladybird (or Rails. But Kling loudly shouting "I support the free speech rights of fascists but get away from me with that DEI shit" doesn't give me warm fuzzies about using Ladybird, either. It's a lot easier to let politics of developers be irrelevant if the developers aren't out there energetically sharing them.

They even did a video with Curtis Yarvin on their official channel...
By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor.

Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence.

I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

I've never understood that stance because surely the mere threat (even implied) of a sponsor removing thousands in funding would be enough to exert influence on the project.

The sponsor money is used to pay developers to work on Ladybird so a major sponsor pulling out could mean laying off core developers, which the project would obviously be motivated to prevent.

Andreas is involved with FUTO's conferences, and given a keynote presentation at one. It's more than just financial.
And Drew Devault, your source, has brazenly deceived HN before https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41838124

To be clear, that source is happy to lie about their own identity and run away from basic questions. I'd treat this as another ill-baked cancel campaign unless someone actually credible speaks up

It's very naive to believe the "no influence" part. I will never give to Ladybird given their closeness with fascists. Is that the kind of influence they expect?
I guess you'll have no influence over Ladybird, then.
I thought it was more related to Louis Rossmann that's where I learnend from
Louis Rossmann Is directly related to FUTO and has passionately advocated for them.

Ladybird has taken sponsorship money from FUTO and claims publicly that sponsorship provides no influence.

Yeah but in the comments they're naming other people I never heard of