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by klagermkii 53 days ago
I don't think that "dystopian" necessarily goes far enough, this would be one of the rare times where I would call it a fascist mentality - the idea that everything's primary allegiance is to the state and the goals of the state rather than those of the customer or the user.

I want a default that has people empowered, rather than something where it's just another performative smokescreen caused by overzealous product liability. I'll thank you and your kind for needing to distractedly tap the "Agree" button on my car's infotainment every time I start it to confirm that I will pay attention to the road.
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estearum 53 days ago
"the state" is just shorthand we use for "other people in my community"

> I'll thank you and your kind for needing to distractedly tap the "Agree" button on my car's infotainment every time I start it to confirm that I will pay attention to the road.

Does that actually mitigate antisocial usecases? No? Then it's not what I'm talking about :)

Of course if you wanted to you could just share specifically what totally-reasonable LLM use-case you have in mind that's neutered by this "fascist mentality" instead of dreaming up unrelated instances.

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klagermkii 53 days ago
> "the state" is just shorthand we use for "other people in my community"

It's a very different abstraction layer, in the same way as individual cells vs the entity that is you. The entity that comes together from all those "other people in my community" and its priorities are different to the individual desires.

> Does that actually mitigate antisocial usecases? No? Then it's not what I'm talking about :)

Maybe it does? Maybe someone is alive on the road today because they read the message and changed their behaviour. I'm giving an example of something where this liability mindset has created a world where manufacturers are no longer prioritising the desires of their users in order to appease a sense of harm-reduction. And you weren't limiting it to LLMs you were applying it to all sorts of tools.

I think that "reverse engineering" as the OP was talking about is one of those things where maybe 1/10000 uses could actually be harmful. This is not even a high-risk request such as to produce a weapon of some kind where maybe your "antisocial usecases" could be applied.

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estearum 52 days ago
Yes if you apply some logic to such extremity that it produces bad outcomes then you should stop applying that logic to those extreme cases.
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