[jszymborski]

First of all, I'd like to thank you for a more nuanced and substantial comment. It stands in stark difference from the one I responded to.

While I agree the author of the article is either ignorant of or conveniently ignoring the fact that the West has certainly done plenty to "...fight on the battlefield...[of] the internet", I also think it's a mistake to simply refer to Pravda-fr.com or Storm-1516 as merely "the other side". It's manifestly propaganda.

I have lots of energy for talking about all the messed up things the US government has and continues to do, esp. in the information space. I just don't know why we can't talk about Russian or Chinese imperialism or propaganda without doing so. It's not zero-sum; saying bad things about Russia is not saying great things about its enemies, and vice-versa.

[recursivedoubts]

I never said this was zero sum game. I just think its humorous when folks get spun up about russian or chinese propoganda, as if our own intelligence agencies aren't actively managing (to a far greater degree, I assume, due to their location in western datacenters) online sources like wikipedia.

It's all propaganda. They even wrote a book (the book) about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)

Goose, gander. A shame both sides can't lose.

[jszymborski]

> I never said this was zero sum game.

> A shame both sides can't lose.

If you didn't before, you just did.

Why can't I get "spun up" about Russian or Chinese propaganda AND US propaganda?

Why is it that you are free to assume that the magnitude of US interference is far greater than that of Russian or Chinese interference, but we can't even suggest that Russia is perpetrating what you've characterized as a relatively small operation?

As I said, I'll spend all day talking about the crimes of the US government, but it won't stop me from similarly litanizing those of China or Russia. I don't factor the former in my judgement if the latter, and vice versa.

[recursivedoubts]

> If you didn't before, you just did.

No, that would be a negative sum game.

> Why can't I get "spun up" about Russian or Chinese propaganda AND US propaganda?

You absolutely can.

> Why is it that you are free to assume that the magnitude of US interference is far greater than that of Russian or Chinese interference, but we can't even suggest that Russia is perpetrating what you've characterized as a relatively small operation?

I gave my reasoning: the servers are hosted in western nations and I assume that western intelligence agencies have far more control over them. If we were talking yandex, I'd assume the russians had more influence. It's a reasonable assumption, but I'm not too wedded to it.

> As I said, I'll spend all day talking about the crimes of the US government, but it won't stop me from similarly litanizing those of China or Russia. I don't factor the former in my judgement if the latter, and vice versa.

I fully support that position.