[0xbadcafebee]

If you're not Chinese, and you start a company outside of China, and your whole pitch is "We run open weights and we have nothing to do with China", 1) why would send data to China?? 2) why would you risk your business to do a thing that makes no sense?

[sagarm]

A fly by night operation created primarily for the purpose of collecting training data and corporate espionage will make whatever claims they think will get them the right traffic.

[eckelhesten]

Well, the context was running the models via open router, not hosting 800B> models yourself. Of course, if given the option I believe most people would pick ”don’t share sensitive data”.

What I’m trying to say is that EVERYONE uses your data, even the sensitive type. So you might aswell use an endpoint that does what it says and treat EVERY endpoint whether that’s OpenAI or anthropic as if it’s collecting all of your data.

[0xbadcafebee]

No, not everyone uses your data. There are providers who very explicitly do not collect or use your data.

[eckelhesten]

Sure, and I won’t collect or otherwise store your credit card info if you send it to me. Trust me bro :)

No but seriously, I am astonished by the level of trust you have for these for-profit companies. I’ll remind you of this quote:

”Zuckerberg: People just submitted it. Zuckerberg: I don't know why. Zuckerberg: They "trust me" Zuckerberg: Dumb fucks”