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by jjk166 46 days ago
> we suspect that many people who have access to private jets will immediately take to the skies and escape city centers.

I would bet on the exact opposite. Unless you're within a few hundred meters of ground zero you're better off seeking shelter than trying to run, and if you are running you only want to go those few hundred meters and then take shelter. The local airport where your plane presumably is would be far more likely to be targeted than your current location. Traveling to the airport, especially in the chaos of people scrambling for shelter, is probably going to take much longer than you have time for and you are much more exposed than if you went into a basement/subway/concrete stairwell. Even if you could physically get to the airport in time, that doesn't do you much good if the plane isn't ready to go. If the plane is on hot-standby you might be able to take off within 10 minutes of getting to the airport, but if we're assuming this is a sudden development you gotta get the crew to the plane, you need to fuel the plane, etc; you're not getting off the ground in less than half an hour. If by some miracle you could get up in the air before the nuke hit, the air is the worst possible place to be. There is nothing between your plane and the pressure wave of the nuke. Your plane's electronics are going to get fried by EMPs. There's a decent chance your pilot will go blind depending on where the nuke actually hits. Even if you manage to stay in the air - now what? You need to land eventually. Most airports have been destroyed, and air traffic control is probably down or at best too busy to deal with you so you don't know if you're actually going to be able to land at any particular destination. Absolute best case scenario you land in a random location where everyone of the ground is several hours ahead of you into a SHTF situation.

I'm not saying nobody will try it, but I would think most people with access to private jets probably have access to or could acquire access to basements in well built buildings that are a decent bit away from likely targets of nuclear strikes.

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I think this is meant to detect insider knowledge of imminent risk of a nuclear attack. It's not meant to detect if nukes are already inbound.
Okay but that wouldn't produce the signal "all of the planes have suddenly taken off at the same time." No one who knows Manhattan's going to be nuked on Tuesday is going to be in Manhattan on Tuesday counting on their plane to get them out.
Unless the prez misses the nurse button and hits nuke
Great land of confusion reference!
That, or any other potentially apocalyptic event
Assuming that apocalyptic event is something which would impact the elites, is reliably predictable by the elites, escapable by flying, and has a window of opportunity where everyone will be trying to escape at the same time.

In reality, look at things like the 9/11 attacks, the 2004 tsunami, the Covid lockdowns, the Maduro raid: the elites didn't fly out all at once shortly ahead of time before the plebs knew what was going to happen. No doubt you can think of good reasons why it didn't happen in those circumstances, but trying to come up with a scenario where it actually would happen is quite a bit more challenging.

Also works for the Davos summit
Well connected people probably have access to the kind of insider information that would allow them to escape the hot zone with hours, even days of advance.

And they have the money to pay for the people who can interpret this information and assess the risks.

Most of the time, they use this information to do some nice trades. But should things start to get very seriously moving towards a Nuclear Confrontation, they would probably know it way before us.

Nowadays, the US or Israel are the most probable countries to initiate a first strike, but this wouldn't happen before a large preparation window where the information would have time enough to reach the top of our rulling class.

> Well connected people probably have access to the kind of insider information that would allow them to escape the hot zone with hours, even days of advance.

Which would not result in them scrambling to get airborne all at once, and thus not produce the signal that this site is set up to look for. The elites may have a more precise estimate on when exactly a war's going down, but they also have no reason to stick around ground zero till the last minute.

There’s also a non-zero chance that the pilot left without you.
Insiders.

Most rich people work in cities.

They will want to get to their hideaways quickly.

> Most rich people work in cities.

People with private plane wealth aren't going into work near a potential nuclear strike target when nuclear war is imminent.

They are living in the city and working there. They find out about a threat, earlier than others. They leave.
> Your plane's electronics are going to get fried by EMPs.

Oldschool piston engine aircraft with magnetos will probably be fine.

If you wanted to be really sure, look into the diesel engine conversions based on good old Peugeot XUDs - and your Citroën BX will be unaffected too ;-)