[redwood]

One of the key reasons that college campuses no longer talk about Tibet and certainly don't talk about Taiwan or dare I even mention the Uygers or anything else mainland China related is of course that Chinese influence is a 10,000 pound gorilla. When you look at it more closely you realize Qatar, Turkey, Iran, and Russia influence campaigns all perfectly complement China's objectives to avoid themselves being a focus on human rights related topics

[grafmax]

Human rights are a pretext of US controlled media to advocate for expanding US imperial interests. Notice how US support of Israel, Gulf state dictatorships, South American dictatorships are glossed over whenever warmongering toward China or Iran is advocated with the thin excuse being human rights.

Anyone who claims a one sided information war has let themself become a casualty of that war.

[thefounder]

Whether is a pretext or not is less important. I don’t mind if the U.S is overthrowing a dictatorship for his own interests while using democracy and human rights as a pretext if at least is trying to enforce a human rights and democracy agenda once the new gov and usually U.S does it with more or less success.

You can’t really expect people to go to war with no national interest. I think for a while democracy was more than a pretext as it helped the U.S keep away communism from its own shores.

[alsetmusic]

> while using democracy and human rights as a pretext if at least is trying to enforce a human rights and democracy agenda once the new gov and usually U.S does it with more or less success.

You mean like in Chile and Indonesia where there were legitimately elected leaders who we got kicked out of power leading to mass killings?

I recommend a book called The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins. It really knocked me back and was a pretty sad story.

[lostlogin]

> is trying to enforce a human rights and democracy agenda

When did this happen?

[grafmax]

The US installs dictatorships, overthrows democracies, supports genocide, mass targets civilians in its bombing campaigns. It doesn't care about human rights or democracy except as an excuse to start new wars which only harm the people it claims to want to help with its wars.

[thefounder]

it does care about human rights but of course the national interest is first otherwise why they didn’t just support dictatorships in South Korea, West Germany, Japan, Taiwan etc ? The U.S is not great but is the best alternative. China, Russia and pretty bad because they don’t have freedom not even for their own people

[throwaway27448]

Well you can also read around CIA propaganda these days much easier. Maybe this overlaps with the influence campaigns other countries push, but it's not like we actually had humanitarian interest to begin with.

[pseudohadamard]

It's not just China though. Try mentioning Japanese "comfort women" in any kind of official/noticeable capacity somewhere and see what happens.