[efitz]

Flock is doing something I find unethical, even immoral, but maybe not illegal.

I want people who break the law to go to jail. I don’t care if they’re cops or c-suite execs.

But what I really want is laws (preferably federal) that make it illegal to build systems that can be used for mass surveillance, and I want law enforcement to HAVE to get a warrant to receive data from surveillance companies, even if they offer it without a warrant, because I want oversight.

[bigyabai]

> make it illegal to build systems that can be used for mass surveillance

Is such a law realistically enforceable? A lot of the surveillance systems used today are benign services like Push Notifications, SMS and online filesharing sites. A significantly motivated threat actor (like the NSA, Unit 8200, Salt Typhoon, etc.) would have no problem appropriating that data for themselves.

Something like an oversight committee might work better, but there would be a bipartisan effort to neuter them the moment they take action.

[munk-a]

We live in a strange time politically where the consensus on ethics is incredibly detached from justice. There is a danger in giving in to mob rules when it comes to the legal system but at this point we've wandered too far in the other direction with clear corruption around Flynn, Ticketmaster and others.

I simply don't find the argument that something isn't illegal compelling anymore since our justice system is so deeply misaligned with society. We live in the era of grift.

[JuniperMesos]

What sorts of things are you personally doing that aren't illegal, but that someone would want to imprison you for because they think you are unsympathetic for some reason and no longer find the argument that what you're doing isn't illegal to be compelling?

[josefresco]

> but maybe not illegal

We won't know for years/decades. This type of corporate malfeasance it being institutionalized at the highest levels.