[simgt]

> I think that’s why they haven’t jumped so far because they have hundreds of millions of users who have daily habits that they don’t want to lightly disturb.

I don't think that's part of their decision making, Liquid Glass moved most things around for seemingly not much else than novelty and that's not the first time.

[nebula8804]

Liquid Glass makes sense if this is what they are working towards: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/20th-anniversary-iphone/

They have done this before, release something large early in anticipation of a major shift and iron out issues before the shift happens. Liquid Glass started off a little janky but they appear to have been ironing out initial issues with each update.

[steve1977]

From what I understand (which might be wrong), Liquid Glass was at least partially inspired by visionOS and "spatial computing". And I guess on that platform it might make sense for some use cases.

That doesn't change the fact that I can hardly read some of the user interface in Apple Music for example.

It's not that the idea is bad, but it's badly executed.

[conartist6]

I was gonna be one of their biggest native apps, but then I found out how many light-years better facebook's APIs for AR were

[paulryanrogers]

Please say more

[conartist6]

react-three-fiber

[conartist6]

we were (are) thinking about building the first VR-native code editor

[dangus]

It only “makes sense” if you believe this concept also “makes sense.”

Nobody asked for a phone with fake buttons and a fragile wrap around screen.

Nobody asked for the UI to drastically change at random.

I wish smartphone companies would treat their products like they were completed devices with no innovation required. They are fully mature.

Instead, work on making them actually improved in ways that matter rather than trying to find “the next big thing.”

Be more like Toyota and less like Tesla.

[nebula8804]

Toyota's philosophy is polishing mature technology and small gradual iteration that supports that goal. That is not "skating to where the puck is going to be". With that philosophy Apple would never have developed the iPhone. Instead just iterating the iPod until someone else put them out of business.

It was famously explained in the original iPhone unveiling. They talked about developing new paradigms in computing and jumping towards those new paradigms with both feet.

Also, Steve Jobs once argued with Woz early on that users don't have a say in the product. The author creates a piece of work and does not stop to ask the audience what the next paragraph should be. At the end either the audience likes it or they don't and they go somewhere else. All the "toyotas" of the tech world are competing to 0 margins and will eventually die off. When Apple tried this in the 90s they ended up nearly bankrupt.

Here is Steve Jobs explaining this philosophy when users asked for cheaper machines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U37Ds3RvyoM

[DonHopkins]

The worst problem they finally ironed out was Alan Dye.

[conartist6]

Really? None of my issues are fixed. The settings panel still has a massive gray empty chunk hanging off the bottom which makes it look like a 13 year old coded it...

[coastermug]

Is Liquid Glass not just a means to slowly force old phones to be obsolete? - My iPhone 11 is fairly slow now and they’ve probably bought forward my next phone purchase by a year

[bmitc]

Yea, if anything, it's Apple's normal mode to heavily disturb and move things around.

[bzbz]

Agreed. I vaguely remember another HN link that said Apple tried a competing-team approach to building a better siri, but it fell apart due to internal politics reasons?

[acdha]

Liquid Glass was also noteworthy for being the first macOS release since 10.1 which was worse across the board in a deliberate manner. They have shipped bugs before but this time it got such poor reception because all of the regressions were intentional and there wasn’t an expectation that they’d be patched.

I don’t think that cavalier attitude is universal at Apple and I don’t think the Siri PM wanted to break with their past respect for UX.

[alfiedotwtf]

When a company doesn’t have anything to innovate on, or hires a new marketing exec, the first thing they do is change the company logo.

Liquid Glass was Apple’s logo change moment

[pram]

There have been many metaphorical and literal logo change moments in Apple’s 50 years champ