[drivingmenuts]

When I look at the person behind it all, I have to wonder how the hell people can even consider using grok? Or using Twitter? Or any of that. Using any of those things puts money in Musk's pockets and further enables and encourages him to continue being a Neo-Nazi wannabe. Do they think it's just a phase?

[everfrustrated]

Do you drive BMW or VW car? Boy do I have news for you!

[breezybottom]

Go on...make your case

[tsol]

VW was established by the nazis and was so excited at the conflict in Gaza they converted a factory into a missile factory recently to help the side that killed more journalists than in any other recorded conflict.

[breezybottom]

That's a very strange way to say that they sold it to a missile company. I'm pretty sure the new owner is responsible for converting it. Besides which, if they're Nazis then why would they care about protecting Jews?

[drivingmenuts]

I'm perfectly well-aware of their history. You'd be hard-pressed to find a large modern German industrial without a swastika in their history. I'm also well-aware that they are not currently Nazi sympathizers (as a corporation), unlike Elon Musk.

For the record, my last three cars have been VWs. Not the greatest car, but decent, and affordable.

[aprilthird2021]

The current heads of BMW are not present day crazy Nazis or at the most charitable interpretation: fueling the far right around the world

[doctorhandshake]

Technically you could lump Ford in this category as well. But the meaningful delta IMO is time and direct ownership. None of those three are currently owned/operated by openly Nazi-aligned individuals / groups, which is not something I think you can claim about Tesla.