[red369]

I think the GP was talking about the fact it is hard to find an EV that is bundled with a lot of invasive software.

There's another post on this article asking for an EV that doesn't: "need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric."

I'm hoping that they get a lot of good suggestions, but I'm not holding my breath.

[rootusrootus]

There are a number of basic EVs that have no more telemetry than the equivalent ICEV.

Someone with the requirements you outline is not in the market for any new car, regardless of powertrain.

[kjkjadksj]

What are these on the us market?

[rootusrootus]

The boring ones. Things like Bolt, Niro, Equinox, Lightning, etc. Not every EV is like Tesla.

[kjkjadksj]

I just did a search on the bolt and apparently users are having to modify their antennae to stop onstar telemetry. Kia also collects telemetry. Equinox also with the onstar issue. Ford also collects telemetry.

Once again, are there any that work functionally like my airgapped ICE car? It is only 8 years old. I’m worried there aren’t.

[hedora]

Price / fanciness has nothing to do with the amount of telemetry (if anything, there is a weak negative correlation).

BMW was one of the best for privacy the last time I checked.

[kjkjadksj]

It is still collecting data. That is the nonstarter for me. My car does not collect any data on me. There will be no software update in the future changing any privacy policy because my car does not ever receive software updates. Even if the ECU did get an update after some repair, it is airgapped with no ability to send out telemetry. I still get certain telemetrics logging for maintenance, locally, of course, via OBD-II.

[rootusrootus]

OnStar telemetry has been a thing since well before your 8 year old car.

As I said, nothing to do with being an EV. All new cars have some variety of telemetry. You may choose not to buy a newer car, but it has nothing to do with whether it is an EV or not.

But be careful because an 8 year old ICEV from GM has OnStar

[kjkjadksj]

No onstar here. No satellite or cellular antenna either. Again, I know my machine. There is no data going out. Seems now there is no choice I suppose. Older cars are like low background steel now.

[freeopinion]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47865868

^^ Not EV, but... :)