[jwilliams]

> I don't know what "openclaw" is. It's not something I have knowledge of, and it doesn't appear in your memory or this project's context.

As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it.

But having Claude deny the existence of OpenClaw is a way more hazardous and likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution: https://www.anthropic.com/constitution

[AbstractH24]

> As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it.

Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants

Doesn’t mean customers have to agree with it.

[copperx]

> Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants

This exact pivot happened a few weeks ago.

[nicce]

At some point you can start asking money back. One could say that putting 5h unjustified limit for usage is like stealing money if it is set so that you cannot reach your 100% limit.

[imiric]

> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution

A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker.

[AbstractH24]

>> likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution > A company that goes against their self-proclaimed values... What a shocker

Makes you wonder how much of the claims around Mythos are exaggerated to crate hype in advance of a IPO

[malfist]

Surely and AI company wouldn't exaggerate. Thats securities fraud!

[kentonv]

Come on, folks. This is not a conspiracy.

LLMs have a knowledge cutoff date. Opus 4.7's documented cutoff date is in January. Older Claude models are earlier than that.

OpenClaw didn't have the name OpenClaw until January 30th. So indeed, even the latest Claude model does not know what OpenClaw is, unless you have it do a web search. If you have it search, it'll happily tell you all about it.

[jeeeb]

Knowledge cutoff is completely insufficient as an explanation.

These models have access to a web search tool. Gemini and ChatGPT both happily search for give info on OpenClaw. Claude denies all knowledge.

What’s more it’s this part that’s very concerning.. Banned for wrong think..

> I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit.

[swordsith]

Claude is notorious in my experience to lie directly to your face (even if its baffling) instead of using the web tool. I'll never prompt it without saying 'use web tool' Its ridiculous.

[kentonv]

Claude does not use the web search tool unless it thinks there's a good reason to. If you nudge it to search, it will, and then it'll tell you all about OpenClaw. You can easily go try this yourself -- I just did. It works fine.

> I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit.

Again, go to claude.ai yourself and try it. It works fine. It happily tells you about OpenClaw.

Whatever happened to jrflo must have been a coincidence. It frankly doesn't make any sense for Anthropic to be trying to block this.

[jeeeb]

My guess is that it was an abuse filter over-keyed on OpenClaw pushing Claude to certain responses patterns.

Normally given a web search tool these models will search if they don’t know.

[NamlchakKhandro]

the model has no such magical access to tools.

it's the harness which responds to the models replies that has access to the tools.

I wish people would continue to reiterate this difference.

[jeeeb]

I said the model has access to a web search tool. Of course it’s the harness that provides that access.

I didn’t spell that out because it’s irrelevant detail, immaterial to the point I was making.

[ScoobleDoodle]

Except GP said they also pointed it to the source website to reference and then had the follow up weirdness.

[kakacik]

Is the behavior the same with other unknown words? Certainly doesn't seem so from other comments.

[jwilliams]

Fair call.

I don't think couching it as conspiracy is the right frame either. This is not a one-off. I think a critical eye is warranted.