[hackthemack]

It is my understanding that the US Government set up a system, long, long ago, where the British would spy on Americans and then the British would supply the information to the NSA, thereby the NSA is not technically spying on American citizens.

Words mean nothing. They can be interpreted how ever they need to be interpreted by those in power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

[globalnode]

australia and america have the same agreement. these countries may be dragons but live in fear of losing their hoard (borrowing that analogy from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47963204)

[bigfatkitten]

> australia and america have the same agreement

This has no basis whatsoever in Australian law.

Procuring someone else to do it on your behalf is still an offence under s 7(1) of the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 (Cth).

TELECOMMUNICATIONS (INTERCEPTION AND ACCESS) ACT 1979 - SECT 7

Telecommunications not to be intercepted (1) A person shall not:

  (a)   intercept;

  (b)   authorize, suffer or permit another person to intercept; or

  (c)   do any act or thing that will enable him or her or another person to intercept;

a communication passing over a telecommunications system.

[Atreiden]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

[bigfatkitten]

How about we refer to a primary source instead.

https://www.nsa.gov/Helpful-Links/NSA-FOIA/Declassification-...

Which provision of the treaty purports to enable this conduct?

[Citizen_Lame]

Well you have reality and "laws".

[bigfatkitten]

In this case we have law, which gives effect to treaties and binds the employees of the intelligence agencies, and then we have the unsupported conspiracy theories that you’re mindlessly parroting here.

[mikey2410]

Yeah, the Australian government always ensures it's agencies follow the law and punish only wrongdoers. David McBride made up the stuff he reported, right?

[DANmode]

> unsupported conspiracy theories that you’re mindlessly parroting here.

Imagine my nonsurprise, stumbling upon more evidence for your (bigfatkitten) having a lack of essential information from the Snowden disclosures, and colloquial explanations of operations during interviews and talks.

Contested. Very supported theories.

[Barbing]

Heard of that. If you have to do some spying, that indirect method might be preferable if the partner country’s spies are a little nonpartisan