[wat10000]

More because Europe had just spent half a decade murdering each other on a massive scale, and there wasn't much energy left for basic research for a little while after experiencing a couple dozen megadeaths and the various urban remodeling programs that accompanied them.

[petcat]

Europe has had many decades since then to innovate in technology and they have still not done so. They are almost completely dependent on American and Asian tech. And that is not changing anytime soon.

So yes, it had something to do with WWII, but that's not the only reason.

For instance, Japan and South Korea were both equally devastated and yet they both managed to build world class technology industries in the aftermath.

[dadoum]

> Europe has had many decades since then to innovate in technology and they have still not done so. They are almost completely dependent on American and Asian tech. And that is not changing anytime soon.

You are stating that like this has been the state of things for a century. The dependence on American and Asian tech has been a gradual process, that accelerated in the 1990s and 2000s. Before that time, every European countries had their own tech industries able to compete with the tech giants (Nokia, Siemens, Grundig, Alcatel, Thomson, Olivetti, Philips, Ericsson, Amstrad and that's only citing a few of the ones that marked history forever, only in the field consumer electronics, a lot of them back in the day were competing but ended up fading away, and also others were everywhere in the tech industry before without being really exposed to consumers).

[flohofwoe]

*rolls eyes*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML

[petcat]

The actual valuable technology is the EUV light source tech developed in California by an American company that ASML acquired in 2013 under a strict technology export agreement with the US government. It was not developed in Europe.

[1] https://www.cymer.com/

[2] https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml/cymer

[gregw2]

The light source tech was pivotal, but the supply chain mastery of 100,000 parts and patience to invest "200 billion dollars" in development over decades is deserves massive respect for the Europeans, no? This effort did not start in 2013.

[flohofwoe]

Yet the US is unable to actually build those machines (neither can Korea, Japan or Taiwan - apparently China will soon)

[petcat]

The technology itself is researched and developed in San Diego. ASML in the Netherlands is just the assembler of the final machines. That's not the particularly valuable part of the product pipeline.

[flohofwoe]

I guess you're more of an "idea guy" right? ;)

[wat10000]

The irony of making this post on a web site is quite amazing.

[DaSHacka]

Doesn't seem ironic at all, when the website (as nearly all are) is fundamentally dependent on a technical stack invented by the United States government to be accessed.

[wat10000]

The claim is not just dependency, but a failure to innovate at all.