[nate8bit]

For all of the Apple hate recently (with glass + MacOS bugs) - it's still great to be able to invest in high quality hardware. I made the switch to Mac, oh about 12 yrs ago, and sometimes forget how spoilt we are with really tight hardware + software integration.

[leptons]

Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average, sometimes, and still costs more than it should - even the neo with its paltry 8GB of RAM. Apple has had plenty of hardware problems and design foibles. So many.

Their software is equally average in most respects, and has a far smaller market share worldwide across all form factors they support.

iOS is the reason I'll never own another iPad.

I mean, it's fine that you like it, but "spoilt" seems like an exaggeration.

[nate8bit]

> Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average

Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it? It's an easy company to hate on - but you don't have any other platform integrated as well as Apple's right now IMO. Unless you maybe count Huawei.

Edit: I think I may be referring more to the holistic picture. But still curious what hardware you think is better.

[leptons]

The "holistic" picture is still crap, unless you like being trapped in a walled garden. I don't.

Apple hardware and software has always been a small worldwide market share, it's just not as popular or as good as the fanboys think it is. For many people it's simply a status symbol and not a real tool for doing anything more than getting to have a blue bubble in text messages so the other fanboys won't laugh at you.

Oh, Apple Silicon you say? Every single test of it is done before thermal throttling kicks in, cutting performance to a fraction of what the peak is. So yeah, you get great performance for about 5 minutes, and then it goes to shit.

We've had to sue Apple in a class action over their faulty hardware, and we won. We just retired our last MBP, and good riddance. It was just so flaky and wouldn't play nice other systems on the network - and I used to be a Mac Sysadmin, so I'm not an idiot with this stuff.

We own Apple stock and would never buy another Apple product again. Fortunately fools and their money are soon parted, so we'll keep making money off them.

[enraged_camel]

Yeah, no way that is a serious statement. My Macbook Air from 2011 still works perfectly, and the original iPhone that I found stashed inside one of my dad's cabinets charged, turned on without issues and was fully usable as well. That's a device that's almost two decades old. If that's not hardware quality, I don't know what is.

[leptons]

Apple had to replace the motherboard in our MBP 7 times before they told us the next repair would cost us $1200. So we sued them in a class action, and we won.

We own Apple stock, and I've worked as a Mac SysAdmin and we'll never buy another Apple product.

Antenna-gate ("you're holding it wrong"), the "magic mouse" with the charging port on the bottom, the shitty keyboard problems, screen problems, etc, etc... Apple misses the mark a lot on its hardware.

Only someone firmly in the grasp of the reality distortion field will claim that Apple hardware is superior.

[Marsymars]

> Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it?

The only hardware I can think of that's consistently higher-quality than Apple is niche stuff at a much higher price point.

e.g. the Seneca keyboard, Sennheiser Orpheus headphones, etc.

[surgical_fire]

I am forced to use a MacBook for work and I think it is shit. I partucularly abhor its reflective screen and the toy keyboard. I hate that it has only 4 usbc ports that force me to have a dongle.

I can't fathom why people like that crap apart from looking slick.

Mac OS is shit, and I would unironically prefer to be forced to use Windows at work.

Style over substance. Pure crap to me.

[leptons]

Same here. When I was presented with a MBP at work, I promptly installed Windows on it. I'm not saying Windows is something amazing, but it's better than the toy OS that is MacOS, and Linux simply wasn't an option at work (Devops/Security does not support Linux). I also then plug in my own keyboard and mouse, and external monitor so I don't have to use the subpar keyboard or look at that crap glossy screen.

Now that they ditched Intel, I have even less use for them. Fortunately my current job sends me whatever hardware I want (but I still can't use Linux at work).

[amelius]

The hardware is great, but it has been crippled by the software. That still makes it a bad product, imho.