[gjsman-1000]

Also they ain't wrong. In what other context does OpenClaw get mentioned?

"You may not use our service if you mention OpenClaw" is a harsh line but hardly illegal or forbidden any more than any other service restriction (i.e. no use allowed for high-stakes financial modeling). Don't like it, cancel your plan.

[rv64imafdc]

> is a harsh line

But that's the thing -- there is no line! Where is this specified? How can we know what service restrictions there are? For all I know, my plan could be exhausted at any point during the workday just because I happened to touch on some keyword Anthropic has decided to ban.

> Don't like it, cancel your plan.

Ah, but I thought these models were supposed to have been trained for the sake of humanity? That the arbitrary enclosure of the collective intelligence was for our own good? These concepts are not compatible.

[vel0city]

> I thought these models were supposed to have been trained for the sake of humanity?

Tbh blocking OpenClaw might just be for the betterment of humanity. It's yet to be proven either way.

[gjsman-1000]

When you signed up, you agreed you understood the line - which is whatever Anthropic decides the line is. Legally, the line hasn't changed at all, nor has your moral position relative to Anthropic. Don't like it, cancel, but it was always the deal.

This is, by the way, the same legal principle that the website you are posting on, right now, uses. Some uses are prohibited. Not every line need be explicit. You aren't allowed to smack talk Y Combinator or the moderators without possibly being banned for life, and you certainly do not have a legal case if they do.

[StilesCrisis]

Do you think businesses are allowed to just take your money, laugh, and refuse service for no reason?

People spend large sums of money for this tool. They can't just delete your balance because they feel like it.

[bachmeier]

> Do you think businesses are allowed to just take your money, laugh, and refuse service for no reason?

> People spend large sums of money for this tool. They can't just delete your balance because they feel like it.

Unfortunately, in the US, they can. I'm not a lawyer working in this area, but my understanding is that companies are in general free to stop doing business with any customer at any time (other than reasons like the race of the customer). And in this type of transaction, there is no obligation to give a refund when they cut off the business relationship. This is different from a business-to-business contract or other types of contracts. This type of sale you're generally out of luck if the business cuts you off. That's why Amazon can delete the music library they sold you and give you no compensation.

[StilesCrisis]

Amazon doesn't sell digital music; they sell a license that contractually they can revoke at any time.

It's possible that Anthropic also structured its EULA such that we're buying Claude Fun-Bucks with no value and that they can obliterate at any time with no recourse. I haven't read the EULA so who knows. But if they did this and it went to court, they'd still need to get a jury to agree to this interpretation and that's a huge unknown.

[echoangle]

They can not prolong the contract but obviously they still have to provide the service you already paid for. Imagine paying for 1 year of Netflix and one week later Netflix decides to cut you off. Does that make sense?

[reaperducer]

I'm not a lawyer working in this area

You could have just stopped there. The rest of what you wrote just re-demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about.

[echoangle]

If you’re paying for it, they can’t just arbitrarily deny you service for made up reasons. I would cancel, but then I would also charge back my payment I’m not getting my promised service for.

[otterley]

Sure they can. But they have to refund your money.

[macNchz]

There are plenty of ways you could wind up with a git commit containing "OpenClaw" despite zero interaction with OpenClaw itself...adding a blog post to a static site repo, or even a clause in your own app's ToS disallowing use of OpenClaw with your API.

[teiferer]

Somebody elses repo that you cloned can contain lots of fun things.

[grayhatter]

> but hardly illegal or forbidden any more than any other service restriction

Intentionally (or negligently) anti-competitive behavior is illegal in the US.

> Don't like it, cancel your plan.

Don't like being abused by a company? Just pretend it's not happening! Anyone else exactly as smart as you were, they deserve to be cheated out of their money too!

[Dylan16807]

There's a lot of people making tools for coding with LLMs and those have a high chance of mentioning OpenClaw somewhere.

[skywhopper]

Where is this restriction documented?