[genewitch]

right, and you have other users on fediverse that notice that server leaking, and if the content is bad enough, report the service to an authority. Having all of the pedophiles and other creeps on a tiny subset of servers, isloated islands of them; well, that ought make enforcement easier.

It also makes it relatively easy to avoid, as server admins share blocklists. I know a dozen servers offhand that i'd block if i ran another fediverse server.

Fosstodon fediverse server doesn't have this issue, for example.

I replied this way because the way you wrote it, it sounds like an indictment of a system that's designed to avoid advertisers getting user profiles, over all else.

The problem is the people who participate in this (the illegal and immoral), and not "the network."

[Aurornis]

> well, that ought make enforcement easier.

Because of course the people congregating to do illegal stuff online are going to do it in your jurisdiction where prosecution is guaranteed

[genewitch]

So people congregating to do things online will do such in places where it isn't illegal to do such things?

We're all aware that it is possible to run a private website, forum, chat server (irc-like or discord-like), including "federated" servers, but not federate? in fact, Element, a chat client, has a parent company that even sells "completely private, encrypted chat", which will never "leak."

I'd much rather have leaky CSAM federated servers than every bad actor behind a VPN. I don't want to see the shit, but i can null route the entire domain and be done with it, or i can send links to my local authorities and let them deal with it.

A similar thing is racism, would you rather have someone be openly racist, or just privately? This was said, i believe, about Joe Biden, about why people tend to trust Trump more, since he wears everything on his sleeve, and Biden speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Like how Carlin said Clinton won people over by saying "Hi folks, i'm completely full of shit and what do you think about that? and folks said, "well, at least he's honest."

Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

and authorities will know if there's new CSAM, and will crop the images and send it to the groups that track down where clothes came from, what the decor in the room means, if there's anything else identifiable. None of this is possible if it's underground and "non-federated."

I'd rather CSAM ceased to be a thing; but again, i'd much rather have idiots announcing it publicly than on an E2EE private network.