[kay_o]

> However, there are lots of people in the world who live their whole life by vibing

Why are they often so desperate to lie and non-consensually harass others with their vibing rather than be honest about it? Why do they think they are "helping" with hallucinated rubbish that can't even build?

I use LLMs. It is not difficult to: ethically disclose your use, double check all of your work, ensure things compile without errors, not lie to others, not ask it to generate ten paragraphs of rubbish when the answer is one sentence, and respect the project's guidelines. But for so many people this seems like an impossible task.

[automatic6131]

> Why do they think they are "helping" with hallucinated rubbish that can't even build?

Because they can't tell the difference between what the machine is outputting, and what people have built. All they see is the superficial resemblance (long lines of incomprehensbile code) and the reward that the people writing the code have got, and want that reward too.

[toofy]

the target audience of the cyber typer terminal [0]

[0] https://hackertyper.net/

[pjc50]

"Main character energy". What they're really doing is protecting their view of themselves as smart, and they're making a contribution for the sake of trying to perform being an OSS dev rather than out of need or altruism.

AI is absolutely terrible for people like that, as it's the perfect enabler.

[StevePerkins]

> Why do they think they are "helping"

It's not about helping. It's about the feeling of clout. There are still plenty of people who look at Github profile activity to judge job candiates, etc. What gets measured gets repeated.

I believe that most of the ills of social media would disappear, if we eliminated the "like" and "upvotes" buttons and the view counts. Most open source garbage pull requests may likewise go away if contributions were somehow anonymous.

[tencentshill]

Anything you say back to them calling out their nonsense, they'll feed back into their LLM and it will tell them why you're wrong and they're right.

https://github.com/huggingface/transformers/issues/45246

[foltik]

Holy... that was quite the read.

[jcgrillo]

LLMs are in this case enabling bad behavior, but open source software has always been vulnerable to this. Similarly, people who use LLMs to do this kind of thing are the kind of people who would have done it without LLMs but for the large effort it would have taken. We're just learning now how large that group is.

This is a good thing, it's an opportunity to make open source development processes robust to this kind of sabotage.

[ToucanLoucan]

> LLMs are in this case enabling bad behavior

Yeah that seems to be their primary use case, if I'm honest. It's possible to use them ethically and responsibly, much in the same way it's possible to write one's own code, and more broadly, do one's own work. Most people however, especially in our current cultural moment and with the perverse incentives our systems have created, are not incentivized to be ethical or responsible: they are incentivized to produce the most code (or most writing, most emails, whatever), and get the widest exposure and attention, for the least effort.

Hence my position from the start: if you can't be bothered to create it, I'm not interested in consuming it.

[kiba]

People who made use of LLM responsibly to create high quality output doesn't look like they're using AI.

For example, using AI as an editor. It doesn't write anything for you and you try and avoid suggestions unless you're stuck.

[drchickensalad]

You're asking why oil doesn't act like water. It's not really an impossible task, it's just not one they agree with.

[a96]

I think a lot of people who haven't given it more thought might see it as an arbitrary rule or even some kind of gatekeeping or discrimination. They haven't seen why people would want to not deal with the output.

This might not be helped by the fact that there are a lot of seemingly psychotic commenters attacking anything which might have touched an LLM or any generative model at some point. Their slur and expletive filled outbursts make every critical response look bad by vague association.

Having sensible explanations like in TFA for the rules and criticism clearly visible should help. But looking at other similar patterns, I'm not optimistic. And education isn't likely to happen since we're way past any eternal september.

[ramon156]

It's the same as cheating in a game. You are given an """advantage""", so lying about it seems like the best option

[MattDaEskimo]

I wonder how many are account farming.