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by mdp2021 46 days ago
I am still in my bed of pain, and you summoned me from the after-public-life of attempted recovery.

> I had no idea it was possible to use male-gendered terms in a generic way

This is just sarcastic, right? "Male gendering" is just a use, no gender is involved in plain terming (outside the obvious exception of intentional gendering)... "Wo-man" specifies "/sensitive/ man", but there is no gender in "man", in "having a mind"... "Human", i.e. "heartly", is not gendered - yet some languages typically correlate derivations like French "homme" with male in default understanding... This should be clear, but just to be sure.

> bro

To the best of my recollection, in the IE roots "brother" is "who assists in the rites" - not necessarily gendered. (Some add that the idea is "supporter".) The suggestion from the term is that of the "brotherhood" - which is not gendered (the idea of fraternity is not gendered). "Sister" should instead mean "welcome" (to some studies): not gendered in this case; others interpret it as gendered ("one's girl" - this is what Etymonline proposes).

> "Guys" I'll let pass no problem, maybe even "dude" too on a good day

That's odd. You wouldn't mind being called "a generic Italo- or possibly French ("Guido" or "Guy")"*; you wouldn't mind being called a "doodle", which has a connotation of "simpleton" - and you refuse "brother", which basically means to imply "getting close to you" (as an opening from the speaker)?

* Edit: Yes, also the explosion of the term and the non-national derivation from "Guy Fawkes" (from the celebration that involved displays of Guy Fawkes ragdolls) should be remembered. Still not precisely complimentary, I'd say.

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Language is intersubjective (its meaning is in the minds of the participants). Referring to the history or composition of a word is interesting but entirely insufficient to justify its use.
> intersubjective

I often quote what we do in the server-client relation: interpret loosely but express correctly.

It is not just a way of communication: language is one of the factors behind thought: hence, its care must be cared for and promoted.

Sure, also the context and the communication need have a weight. But without compromising into conformism (as in, "doing it wrong because people do").

> its meaning is in the minds of the participants

Awareness has its benefits (the greatest understatement I have ever written); licence has its costs.

> entirely insufficient to justify its use

Why. The competent will always use tools differently than the layman and the amateur. Again the server client (and always the need of good thought in the background): you will express as best as you can and try to be clear (communicatively efficient) within that framework.