Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by denkmoon 58 days ago
Western society, for better or worse, is set up such that parents need to resume work as soon as possible. Saying the government has no responsibility in child rearing ignores the economic reality of parents.
2 comments

"Because I have a job, it is now impossible for me to raise my children. I have to outsource this to a council of legislators because I'm simply too busy!"

Bad argument, bad outcomes. These are exactly the "bad parents" I was referring to in my original comment. The government HAS no responsibility in raising your child, but they would LOVE to change that. It's absolutely imperative for the human race that that does not happen.

Besides the bad reinterpretation of my point, how to solve the problem? It is simply insufficient to say "yeah both parents work full time with the sword of damocles hanging over their head but too bad so sad". Without changing the economic situation there is no changing the child rearing situation. One caused the other. It's all well and good to say this is imperative for the species but I see no solution offered. The economic situation must change and the government is responsible for this.
By western you mean America? Cause this is true only in America.
Absolutely true in Australia. The parents I know are either rich enough to outsource it or basically fighting for their life managing work and childrearing.

And to add salt to the wound, it's the people on the positive side of the economic bell curve that have strong familial support networks where grandparents and uncles and aunts can contribute to childrearing, while those on the other side of the curve can't always rely on having those support networks. A generalisation of course, but a relevant one.

what’s the maternity leave situation in Australia?
Better than the US, but that does not make it true that only parents in the US are struggling.
It's also true in the UK. High housing costs, high living costs and low wages means two parents need to work as much as possible.
what’s the maternity leave situation in UK?
Statutory Maternity Pay can be paid for up to 39 weeks.

The first 6 weeks: 90% of average weekly earnings

The remaining 33 weeks: £187.18 or 90% of average weekly earnings (whichever is lower)

So not much after the first 6 weeks

Some data for non-statuary maternity pay https://www.incomesdataresearch.co.uk/resources/insights/mat...

Later

From the people I know, the financial pressure seems to build around 6 months as their employer's maternity pay is fading into the distance, but they struggle on a bit longer.

I admit there may be different definitions of "as soon as possible" between the USA and other countries. Most people here would love to be able to afford at least 1 year if not more.

so we can’t really compare US (zero), with this, yes? not saying going to work after XX weeks is great either :(
Yes we can compare, and your original comment was wildly incorrect. You aren't going to get proven correct by digging into this further

Just because the the US provides zero paid leave by law doesn't mean women don't take maternity leave - it's often self funded of course. How about you look into that and compare, instead of trying to ask specific questions to arrive at a gotcha