[aliljet]

This is a tough moment. Claude is simultaneously becoming substantially more expensive, substantially less reliable (single 9 of reliability), and substantially less performant. It's really hard to justify the cost of a subscription over there right now.

[giancarlostoro]

There was another thread where some people pointed out, Amazon will give you access to Claude with better uptime for the same price (per million tokens up / down), downside is, it does not have the native ability to browse the web, but maybe that's a hidden blessing, since it's less likely to read some random website that has prompt injection embedded into it.

For coding its fine, I havent experimented too much with Amazon Bedrock myself, but I just might soon to check for any limitations.

[2001zhaozhao]

Maybe the best play is to set up a routing system locally so that when claude.ai is down it automatically switches to Amazon billing and switches back when it comes back up

[Atotalnoob]

I’m pretty sure it has the ability to browse the web.

It can use playwright, web fetch, etc…

I use bedrock at work and Claude subscription at home. They are pretty much exactly the same in my experience

Or do you mean the Claude in chrome plugin? Bedrock doesn’t have that, but in my experience it doesn’t work that well.

Neither does the Claude managed agents or ultra plan.

[fg137]

They likely refer to "WebSearch", not "WebFetch" (and the original statement is not correct).

[willsmith72]

But that's just paying per use right, not with the subscription which is way better value

[giancarlostoro]

Correct, but in the case that they brought it up, their employer was on a enterprise license, which is still pay per token. The subscription will eventually go away in some way, or cost way more than it does.

[datadrivenangel]

From an economics perspective, it makes sense to make it more expensive if you're having trouble keeping up with demand for a service. It'll be tough getting used to because it was so nice and cheap

[a_victorp]

On the other hand, it was somewhat expected that we would have a correction for the prices. Hopefully after this correction things will be more stable and we won't have to worry too much about future price increases

[bspinner]

the prices will slowly increase until enough people actually stop paying for it.

[edmundsauto]

YMMV. I would still be very happy with Claude if it hard failed on 20% of tasks. You can always come back to it.

I say this as someone working for a tech company who does not have to foot the bill (in the >$1k per month bracket)

I also experienced and accept the 1990s levels of unreliability, which is my “internet generation”. My first access was lifting a handset and placing on a speaker/mic cradle.

Programmers these days are fucking spoiled. If it’s $220 worth of value for $200 - I get it. But I’m getting $100k of value for $10k and so I’ll put up with some shit.

[willsmith72]

> If it’s $220 worth of value for $200 - I get it.

Wrong comparison. If a competitor gives you $230 of value for $200, of course you shouldn't pick the $220 one

[andai]

Well, you can get a much bigger portion for much cheaper next door, but taste is hard to quantify.

[wahnfrieden]

or just use codex...

[smugma]

We used to describe our startup as having 5 8’s of uptime

[pkulak]

Not to mention substantially less open. I've been using an OpenAI subscription in Pi Agent for a couple weeks now and it's great. And from what I can tell, 5.5 is a heck of a model.

[Avicebron]

I'm either extremely lucky or Dario ran the direct fiber to my house because I have never had it go down in any meaningful way..

Is this just the API and I'm too much of luddite to actually use the API?

[2ndorderthought]

Dude dario definitely ran the fiber straight to your place personally. Everything is fine and this is such a good thing.

[chillfox]

Interestingly, yeah, I can see that this would really cut into your subscription usage with the 5 hour rate limit windows...

I am an API user, and while it being down is super annoying, it isn't really as big of a hit to my overall usage as I can just prepare a bunch of stuff to run in parallel when it does come back up.

[elfly]

Don't say single nine, it sounds ugly and bad.

Say five eights of reliability. Maybe six.

[inetknght]

We're talking about Claude, not GitHub...

[HeWhoLurksLate]

that would be eight fives...

[OccamsMirror]

Plus, they've dumbed down their models to the point where the value just isn't there like it was. If I have to go in and clean up after it, or constantly wrestle with it through prompts, what's the point? Just spending $200 a month to be frustrated at a machine.

[Frannky]

It's lazy, does not take ownership and responsibility, wants to defer work, and I have to force it to check reality. It likes to guess and assume it's correct and I am wrong. Agents.md is not helping at all. It's in full enshittification phase, yay!

[2ndorderthought]

Single nine has good vibes bro. It means when the service is up the results are better. I read about it in a blog. The model hallucinates way less. Even less than grok