[dev_l1x_be]

We need a truly distributed point-to-point internet asap. Politicians going to do everything to limit free speech and free ideas in the name of protecting children while they already got all the powers to investigate and stop child abuse.

https://meshtastic.org/

[wtallis]

Did you intend to link to Meshtastic as an example of how not to achieve your goals? Because it definitely isn't capable of scaling up to anything like the whole internet, and the project struggles to agree on any goals they want to reliably achieve.

[dev_l1x_be]

It is something, at least you can chat with your friends freely.

[wtallis]

There are so many caveats and limitations that bringing it up in this context is downright dishonest. The most you could fairly say is that some of the philosophy driving some of the meshtastic developers is what you want to see applied to the development of an internet-scale network (which in reality would have less technology in common with meshtastic than with the current internet).

[HerbManic]

Alas it is the great contradiction. Federated technologies are brilliant for peer-to-peer but many struggle to scale because the designed redundancy tends to crush their efficiency.

Really depends on the context. Email works because of its limits. Remove those limits and weaknesses start to appear.

[protocolture]

>We need a truly distributed point-to-point internet asap.

Yes.

A mesh network isnt point to point. Its a mesh.

[gnabgib]

So a mesh isn't made up of point to point connections? I'm pretty sure if you have several they start to look like a mesh (and every security site's banner)

[protocolture]

Sure but I cant communicate with you in a point to point fashion, in a mesh network I am hoping that I have possibly hundreds of disinterested nodes between us. But like, are those nodes coordinating on censorship? Are some of the nodes recording your metadata? Are the nodes incentivized to carry the quantity of traffic you require?

Really the "fix" the ultimate goal has to be direct point to point.

[tardedmeme]

The real internet is made of point to point connections. Doesn't mean anything.