[colordrops]

What is a "real" thing and not an "illusion" if you go with #2? Is a car a real thing, or just a collection of atoms? Is an atom a real thing? Or a collection of processes? Is it not turtles all the way down? What is "real"?

[0xBA5ED]

Well if you can't concede that anything is real, that sort of makes you crazy doesn't it? A tree is real. But the concept of a tree and the word "tree" and all the ideas you have about the tree and what tree means, is that real? No, because it doesn't change the nature of the tree. When you cease to exist, the tree will still be there. Can you be absolutely 100% sure of that? Also no. But if you believe that other people are conscious individuals like you are and that some of them die and the tree keeps going, you can concede that it is probably true that the tree exists separate from your idea of it.

[colordrops]

No, I don't feel crazy. Just honest.

I have no idea if the tree is still there when I cease to exist. I just go with that assumption out of convenience.

This degrading of subjective experience as a minor detail rather than a fundamental aspect of reality is one of the core sources of confusion in western thought IMHO.

[0xBA5ED]

I'd argue we must go with these assumptions out of necessity rather than convenience. I don't have any broad strokes to offer on western thought, however.

[colordrops]

Necessity for what condition? To find truth? Making assumptions are the opposite of finding truth.

[0xBA5ED]

To function. You must assume many things on a daily basis to function and survive because we are limited.

[colordrops]

Ok but isn't that a different topic? Whether you function or not is not the same as whether something is true or not.