[koonsolo]

I hope you're French, otherwise you are still relying on US defense.

[AntiUSAbah]

I'm german and as you just read in the article, Rheinmentall is a german company.

And from whom do i depend on US defense? Against Russia? Who can barely make it in Ukraine? Middle east were everyone is fighting everyone and were Iran is very very pissed at the USA?

Tell me what defense do i need against whom?

[koonsolo]

You don't think nuclear deterrence has a place in a modern defense strategy? If not, then I don't see the point in discussing this further.

[Fnoord]

Well, the nuclear deterrence was how effective in RU vs UA and US/IL vs IR?

[koonsolo]

Like I said, if you think you don't need nuclear deterrance, there is no point in discussing this further.

Also funny how you give 2 examples of nuclear powers who attack countries with no nuclear deterrence.

[Fnoord]

> Also funny how you give 2 examples of nuclear powers who attack countries with no nuclear deterrence.

Yes, very funny. When you're done laughing, would you mind reflecting on the fact that neither of those countries have lost their respective war of yet (despite fighting against a nuclear power, both of whom have threatened to use nukes in one way or another?)

[koonsolo]

It's clear you don't understand the "deterrence" part of "nuclear deterrence".

[Fnoord]

I mean, everyone relies on everyone in a world economy, you need to come up with examples. You mean nuclear deterrence? The French are going to share their nuclear deterrence with the rest of the EU.

[koonsolo]

So Germany will depend on France for their nuclear deterrence then.

[Fnoord]

Yes, indeed. Although on paper UK also joins this venture, they depend on USA for their nuclear arsenal (subs).

On the long-term, EU might need more nuclear weapons for adequate deterrence, and also FR might not be so stable given alt-right over there. So any integration needs to be stable on paper.