Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by ricksunny 56 days ago
By ascertaining an approxiamte value of G , perhaps? After that, you know M_earth, and already knowing Earth’s geometry, one arrives at average density rho.
3 comments

Laying out the math (assuming earth is an homogeneous sphere) just in case it's not clear:

F_gravitational = G m1 m2 /r^2

g = G Mass_earth / r_earth^2

Mass_earth = r_earth^2 * g/G

Density_earth = r_earth^2 * g/G / V_earth

Density_earth = 3*g / (4*Pi*G*r_earth)

Prior to Cavendish we already new g and r_earth, just missing G.

Yup, that's exactly it:

- get the gravitational constant with these two known masses

- then can deduct the mass of the unknown Earth by its interaction with other masses (say the "g" gravitational acceleration value)

- then from the mass and the otherwise measured size of Earth the density pops out

More details in good ol' Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment#Derivatio...

It's also a notoriously difficult experiment to perform. When I did it at university, the value of G I got was out by an order of magnitude - and that was considered a good result!
Oh so the earth density is merely the motivation for the experiment? I read it as the earth mass actually being used somewhere in the formulas within the setup itself which was what confused me.

He uses his experiment to calculate G based only on the test masses and spring and then the _result_ of the calculation was just used as a final step to calculate the mass of the earth, and then from that the density?

Y’know, I went and looked at the current Wikipedia page for the Cavendish experiment. There’s apparently more nuance than my simple outline offers, particularly as G wasn’t treated as an isolated quantity till decades after his experiment.

Linking directly to section anchor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment#Reformula...

There is less description than I would like, but I am happy to have been made aware of the discrepancy at all.

Several years back when I first learned about the Cavendish experiment, I was indeed surprised that he was able to measure anything related to gravity without using a planetary-scale mass as one of experimental masses.
Clever experiments to measure tiny values are probably my favorite kind of science. Millikan found the charge of an electron by looking for a common integer multiple of charge in tiny oil droplets. Or LIGO measures gravitational waves by watching the interference pattern generated over time by two light beams taking different paths.