[utopiah]

Pretty much boils down to lying.

Since we've been kids we've been taught, hopefully, that lying is bad.

Society though normalize it :

- advertisement is pretty much always wrong (to the point of having laws in Japan about food packaging, France about modeling, etc) and the deception is the message

- entrepreneurs promises, nobody reach the goals set to VCs, it's always a lower number no matter the KPI. See https://elonmusk.today where the wealthiest man on Earth, ever, keeps on lying pretty much daily.

- political promises, no need to even give examples of that because it's just pervasive.

so... yeah, we keep on telling our kids "Do as I say, not as I do." then we somehow keep on being shocked that the practice of lying is pretty much happening in every corner of our society.

It's not a technical problem.

[klabb3]

The fun part is when it’s important you have the right information to make a decision. Eg Russia to invade Ukraine and all top generals claim they can do it in 2 weeks. Similar for a corporation with layers of middle management deception and self promotion, I don’t know how executives make decisions but it must be RNG basically, because it certainly isn’t fact.

Lying at scale is basically information noise.

[utopiah]

If you don't lie enough, if you are not sycophantic enough, then no promotion or worst, purged.

I can easily see how such a hierarchy would reproduce ... until it fails so bad it can't.

[te7447]

See also the SNAFU principle: http://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/jargon300/SNAFUprincipl...