[stingraycharles]

You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance?

This seems such an immature take to me, and hard to take serious. Anthropic just a bunch of script kiddies? Really?

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Claude Code is a vibe-coded product that doesn't seem to be undergoing regression tests.

It looks like they're running it in the loops then ship whatever looks the coolest.

How is this not "high on own supply"?

[stingraycharles]

Why the insults/hostility? Why call them script-kiddies? Why the inflated egos?

How do you know what testing procedures they use? Do you honestly think they're running some kind of Ralph loop without any testing and just ship whatever looks the coolest? Really ?

[dkersten]

> How do you know what testing procedures they use?

We don’t, but we can see the end result, so we know whatever they do isn’t adequate and it suggests they value shipping fast over quality or even listening to customer feedback.

> Do you honestly think they're running some kind of Ralph loop without any testing and just ship whatever looks the coolest? Really ?

No, but given how sharply the quality has been dropping over the past few months and how it suspiciously coincided with the time they admitted that Claude code is now 100% vibe coded, it certainly doesn’t feel too far off.

I’ve personally found the code that the AI writes, even this week (ie not some old models from months ago) to be shockingly shoddy. I’ve rewritten some AI code (created via spec driven development and a workflow that includes planning and refactoring) by hand and I’ve been very conscious of the amount of micro-design-changes I as a human make where the AI just blows forward shoehorning a solution into the design. My implementation happens b has adjusted and shifted many times to insure clear and performant logic, while the AI commits to an approach early and applied whatever brute force is necessary to make it work. I’ve also asked it to write various tests for me or to make isolated changes and quite frankly the code was just not very good. Working, but convoluted. Even with guidance and iteration, it’s still not on a human level.

So it’s not hard to see that if you have an application as large and complex as Claude code and you let the AI do it all, that it’s going to be a mess.

I’m not against using AI for development, but you have to be realistic about its capabilities. I feel like this is where they “got high on their own supply” and are blinded to the AI’s shortcomings and failures.

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I didn't call them a script kiddies, I am not hostile, I am not insulting you or them, I didn't even say they have inflated egos.

Why are you arguing with the strawman instead of raising the temperature of the discussion based on the baseless claims?

[dkersten]

They’ve said themselves that Claude code is 100% vibe coded now. That certainly meets the criteria of “script kiddies” and “high on their own supply”. The negative connotations are there on purpose because of the bugs and issues that these products have, something which presumably they wouldn’t have if there was human oversight and acknowledgement that the AI isn’t infallible.

[stingraycharles]

> They’ve said themselves that Claude code is 100% vibe coded now. That certainly meets the criteria of “script kiddies”

That's not what script kiddies are at all.

> The negative connotations are there on purpose because of the bugs and issues that these products have, something which presumably they wouldn’t have if there was human oversight and acknowledgement that the AI isn’t infallible.

That's a big assumption, given that Anthropic is also currently growing by more than 3x per quarter. Maybe the problem is more complicated and we don't know everything, and they're also just simply suffering from growth pains?

[dkersten]

> That's not what script kiddies are at all.

Sure it is. The new age of script kiddies: they don’t know how to do it for themselves, but they can run a script (or tell the AI to) to do it for them.

> That's a big assumption

We can only see the results, which are more and more bugs, problems, regressions, etc. That’s not normal behavior. Yes all we can do is speculate, we don’t know the real reasons for the issues, but it’s clear there are issues and they appear to be getting worse.

[lelanthran]

> You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance?

Maybe not the script kiddies part, but "high on their own supply" is certainly not unreasonable.

[stingraycharles]

I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now.

The comment is not at all just saying “their usage of their own AI is causing these issues”, it’s just a lot of hostility, I don’t see the value of these kind of insults.

[lelanthran]

> I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now.

Maybe it's just interpretation: "high on their own supply" is no different from "poisoned by their own dogfood" or similar.

It means that they have completely committed to a thing that the person proffering the quote thinks is "wrong" in some way.

[whateveracct]

lol "hostility" - they sell a very high profile product and the issues seem to reflect bad engineering culture. therefore, I say their culture smells bad.

[johnfn]

I just want you to know that I read over this thread and you are obviously completely right. This sort of incurious, immature stance is something I've seen become the norm on HN over the last few years, particularly when it comes to AI.

[whateveracct]

I am neither immature nor incurious.

The fact that this was their "malware checker" is proof they don't realistically use their LLM and that they aren't actually using engineering rigor.

[achierius]

I didn't say anything like that! Like I said I just don't think that this opinion is somehow associated with "vibe coders"; if anything I'd expect the opposite.

[processunknown]

Seems reasonable to me