[sysguest]

hmm isn't the whole thing a continuation of "revenge against hamas's attack on Oct 7th 2023" ?

hamas being a proxy to iran, I don't get why people think iran as some "peace loving, innocent country"

well, are they?

raping/killing some *foreigners* and displaying their bodies as parade...

well that's not very "peace loving and innocent" is it?

[huntertwo]

When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor.

How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough?

Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts

Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations.

Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.

[grumple]

> When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor.

Oh boy, let me tell you about October 7th. Attacks by Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and Iran followed. Oh, and half a dozen other Palestinian groups were involved in 10/7 but they don't like to talk about that.

> How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough?

Probably not too far off from how many Iran has killed in the same timeframe (of course, they are killing their own). Iran killed 30,000 of their own just this year.

And just so we're clear, Iran supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, and the Houthis in Yemen, both or whom are responsible for easily 10x as many deaths as Israel (total). The civil wars in Lebanon and Syria left millions dead, and the one in Yemen also resulted in hundreds of thousands dead.

[sysguest]

> Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.

well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly?

> When you make a ceasefire and then strike first

well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree?

I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a huge political/PR mistake

but... how's that ceasefire related? is israel a proxy of usa? does Trump control israel directly?

Ethically, the israel politicians goes at great length NOT to damage civilians: the walkie-talkie bomb is a classic example of "try to kill all the militants WITHOUT carpet bombing"

(though they failed to "kill all" with that scheme, and... well they did bomb a lot after that)

[krige]

> well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly?

1) why is that an important distinction?

2) but since you asked, they do, western media just refuse to show it but all you need to do is follow a bunch of israeli instagram accounts and you'll see more than enough sooner rather than later

[sysguest]

> 2) but since you asked, they do, western media just refuse to show it but all you need to do is follow a bunch of israeli instagram accounts and you'll see more than enough sooner rather than later

woah... big claims here! maybe you should post source?

[justsomehnguy]

> well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly?

Ah, this is where you draw the line?

[sysguest]

well where do YOU draw the line then?

One side openly tries to do maximum death on everyone including infants (eg. fire random missiles, intifada, and the oct 7th attack)

The other side at least tried their best NOT to attack back (expensive missile defense systems) or at least kill only the militants selectively (walkietalkie boomboom)

I mean, you should be ashamed of even comparing israel vs iran/hamas/etc

[watwut]

> One side openly tries to do maximum death on everyone including infants

That would be israel with special focus on journalists and doctors

> The other side at least tried their best NOT to attack back

As idiotic as it is, Iran shown more restraint then Israel and USA against other countries. Internaly not, but ouyside yes. They played tit for tat.

[nailer]

Those “doctors and journalists” have repeatedly been shown to have second jobs working for Hamas, wearing Hamas uniforms, and having Hamas funerals.

[sysguest]

> Iran shown more restraint then Israel and USA against other countries > They played tit for tat.

like... firing missiles at UAE...? launching drone to dubai tower?

did India do anything to iran to get its ships fired upon?

blocking hormuz strait... that alone was enough to trigger global coalition -- though due to Trump's trade dick move to allies... no one sent troops...

if it's "tit for tat", then why does iran make so many un-related countries suffer (eg india?)

well simple: iran is the new pirate of 21st century. nothing more or less.

if anyone says "that's because US attacked", then if I got hit by a car, can I have my revenge on nearby pedestrians?