[skrrtww]

A "reasonable" answer is probably a primary self-hosted Forgejo instance as the canonical forge, while using GitHub as a mirror solely to take advantage of its free CI, while that lasts, while hosting secrets with a dedicated secret-hosting provider (I don't know what the provider du jour for this is these days).

[latchkey]

Replace a whole 24/7 team of devops people with myself?

As much as I'd like to believe that I'm worthy, I'm not.

[rnhmjoj]

It's the devops team can manage a measly 87% uptime [1] you're talking about, you can do a lot better on your homeserver.

[1]: https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/

[skrrtww]

If the primary forge's only job is to host the actual Git infrastructure (the code, the MRs, the issues, maybe a wiki), it's a lot more simple than GitHub, and probably more within the scope of what people can reasonably administer themselves.

[latchkey]

I hosted the first "java.apache.org". I was an early employee at CollabNet, and in the first discussions around starting subversion. I worked on Cloud Foundry.

This stuff isn't easy and I'm more than happy letting someone else do it at the expense of some downtime.

[slopinthebag]

24/7 devops team for a forgejo instance? Come on mate...

[latchkey]

24/7 devops team for github? Come on mate...

[slopinthebag]

Is running a small forgejo instance for a team the same as running GitHub?

[odie5533]

Will I have to patch machines, keep packages updated, deal with SSL certs, maintain action runner infra, deal with billing for the machines, add monitoring, alerts, logging, etc

No, I don't want to be in the business of running my own Github clone. That's what I pay Github for.

Why do you pay salary to employees to buy food when you can just run a farm next to the office and save money by operating the farm and giving the employees food directly? You'd save money by not having to pay as high of salaries, and farms don't even need 24/7 devops teams.

[altmanaltman]

Don't you think the farm example was a bit too extreme for it to make sense? A tech company probably does not have expertise in farming but devOps is something they already know how to do and can easily manage it in-house. Also how fast do you think farms produce food that you can drip feed it to employees constantly

[embedding-shape]

> solely to take advantage of its free CI, while that lasts

Eh, if you want to be able to continue working, deploy and what not as normal during weekdays, I'd suggest also moving to Forgejo Actions if you're moving anyways. Not 100% compatible, but more or less the same, and even paying the same but with dedicated hardware you'd get way faster runners.

[skrrtww]

For companies with resources for infrastructure, sure.

For OSS, the unlimited free minutes of multiplatform CI offered by GitHub are literally impossible to replace. Maintaining runners yourself to do the same things would be somewhere between a part- and full-time job.

[esseph]

> https://docs.codeberg.org/ci/

"Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led effort that provides services to free and open-source projects, such as Git hosting (using Forgejo), Pages, CI/CD and a Weblate instance."

Never say impossible.

Github is still "new" to a lot of us. OSS existed well before it, and will continue to exist well after.

[skrrtww]

If Codeberg starts offering Mac and Windows runners alongside their Linux ones for free (or at an achievable price point) for a modest OSS project I'll certainly look at it very closely. If all I needed was a Linux runner, I'd probably be on there already.

And yes, if we make OSS just about hosting the code, things are much simpler. If you're a piece of desktop software though, and you have users, they'll typically (and reasonably) want auditable signed binaries on all the platforms you support, which requires multiplatform CI.

[embedding-shape]

> For OSS, the unlimited free minutes of multiplatform CI offered by GitHub are literally impossible to replace.

Yeah, how you think the ecosystem got by before GitHub even had actions? Y'all don't remember Travis CI et al anymore?

There are more CI services than what Microsoft offers the world, sometimes it's worth looking around a bit.