[nozzlegear]

Then there's no actual walled garden here, just a vague "Mac users are too dumb to realize there are more options" line in the sand.

> I mean Average Joes off the street, who can't find Ukraine on the map

How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? This metric means nothing.

[joe_mamba]

>Then there's no actual walled garden here

With this bad faith line of reasoning that ignores user defaults, ecosystem ties and switching friction, Windows was also never a monopoly because companies and users could just switch to Mac or Linux whenever they wanted.

>How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map?

Since when is Missouri a country?

[nozzlegear]

> With this bad faith line of reasoning that ignores user defaults, ecosystem ties and switching friction, Windows was also never a monopoly because companies and users could just switch to Mac or Linux whenever they wanted.

This bad faith line of reasoning ignores how viable Mac or Linux actually were as consumer devices at the time Microsoft had a monopoly.

[nozzlegear]

> Since when is Missouri a country?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949920

[coldtea]

>How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map?

Their country doesn't make decisions about American on their behalf (or even at all), so they don't have a moral obligation as citizens to. And Iowa and Missouri are mere states, and not even very interesting ones at that.

[nozzlegear]

My point is that the US is a huge country and American education prioritizes learning where all 50 states are, since that's going to be a thousand times more relevant to any American in the span of their lifetime. So it's not surprising that the average American may not know where the fuck Estonia is, but they can tell you where Rhode Island is – and the reverse is true for the average European.

Being able to point something out on a map is a metric that means nothing. That is my point.